I'll leave radio and compliance aside for now I was able to talk with the Tram and the little whip but I've since bought my son a pctel maxrad 5 element yagi that's resonant on gmrs. I used google maps, switched to satellite view and drew a line on the map between his house and mine. That was super helpful in getting it aimed. If someone knows an easier method, let me know. With that antenna, I was able to talk to my son almost all the way to my house with a baofeng hand held in my truck. That's more like it I went ahead and ordered another for my house and will aim them at each other and hopefully get good results. When I get some definitive results, I'll post them up for future reference. This is the antenna https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007JSD5G2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 It seems to be well made, welded elements and I like where the connection is compared to some others.