MY 2 cents, thats elitism. If you have a problem with them on the repeater, snatch up 'acceptable' radios on ebay and offer them to users at a cost + expense markup to gently encourage them. I am a single dad with 3 kids and have a fleet of radios for camping/hiking. Should I spend $2k on radios or $200 for 3 HT's and a Mobile, or... i dunno, by clothes?