jmoylan69

My Patriot repeater is 95 accepted!

I use LMR 400 with no issues at all on my Ritron. my repeater is only 5 watts and i am using two 6 element beams and provide crystal clear coverage between two valleys with a distance of near 60 miles in each direction with out issue at all. So personally i'm not sure what all the hubub is all about. he's claiming only 50' of cable im running 125' without issue. my 6 element beams are 10db gain. If it were myself re doing it. id do it again in a heartbeat. as for repeater ID i have mine set to ID every 15 minutes via Morse. as for all the other comments the folks have made. they're fine. mostly you have to experiment with what works. you could get certain issues of interference in your area that i will never get because of my rural area. if you're in a city, you've got lots of electrical fields and other issues that could interfere. you just have to experiment.

ARGENT DATA SYSTEMS makes a simplex repeater for 89.00 and sells the cable for the baofeng for 7 bucks. cheers folks. and im sure the FCC did NOT cite no simplex on gmrs but most likely said not a snowballs chance in (*&%^(*& on the MURS band. there is nothing that prohibits simplex in the 95a wording that i have found. in fact simplex is used only ONCE IN THE ENTIRE PART95A SECTION AND ITS HERE IN 95.29 (f) and does not represent anything exclusive or prohibitive. following the law of the "letter", it says : "FOR" not that "a GMRS station [MUST] be transmitted in duplex. this paragraph is simply stating that for a GMRS station that will be simultaneously re-transmitting A transmittion of another, that licensee must select the frequency pairs and then points to where to find those pairs, i.e. 95.7(a) (a) For a base station, fixed station, mobile station, or repeater station (a GMRS station that simultaneously retransmits the transmission of another GMRS station on a different channel or channels), the licensee of the GMRS system must select the transmitting channels or channel pairs (see § 95.7(a) of this part) for the stations in the GMRS system from the following 462 MHz channels: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, 462.6750, 462.7000 and 462.7250. ( For a mobile station, control station, or fixed station operated in the duplex mode, the following 467 MHz channels may be used only to transmit communications through a repeater station and for remotely controlling a repeater station. The licensee of the GMRS system must select the transmitting channels or channel pairs (see § 95.7(a) of this part) for the stations operated in the duplex mode, from the following 467 MHz channels: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000 and 467.7250. as shown above in red, this is an "option" not a mandate. the only requirement is that you use the chanel pairs if you're to re-transmit simultaneously or you select the chanels to use form the list. i identify this chanels to mean a multiple of choice not that you need to use a pair only, otherwise the following phrase channel pairs is now redundant and not necessary. Also, you cant transmit on more than one channel at a time anyway. ©–(e) [Reserved] Here the wording is MAY use simplex for transmissions but they must be in voice, and NOT unidirectional. and cannot be any more than 5 watts on a simplex freq. there is ZERO language here that prohibits simplex repeaters. (f) Except for a GMRS system licensed to a non-individual, a mobile station or a small base station operating in the simplex mode may transmit on the following 462 MHz interstitial channels: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125, 462,6375, 462.6625, 462.6875 and 462.7125. These channels may be used only under the following conditions: (1) Only voice type emissions may be transmitted; (2) The station does not transmit one-way pages; and (3) The station transmits with no more than 5 watts ERP AS FAR AS PAGING this is the definition. § 95.27 Paging receiver description. A paging receiver is a unit capable of receiving the radio signals from a base station for the bearer to hear a page (someone’s name or other identifier said in order to find, summon or notify him/her) spoken by the base station operator. so by this definition this should answer your question about a PAGE

id record this, in entirety and ship such to the FCC. keep track of dates and times, perhaps a local ham with some DF equipment could locate and then get an address perhaps? if in a car a plate number.... hitting a repeater is going to be tough because you'll be tracking the repeater signal as well. but those are the only two i can come up with, unless you work out a deal with the repeater owner to change the PL tones or work with you????

ok, this is normal if im understanding you correctly. by your statement, "The units cant talk nor listen to each other" means by that statement that the two handhelds cant talk to each other. and that would be proper. if this were a Baofeng. id hit the *scn button to "reverse" the transmit and receive freq/s, then the two "units" will talk to one another. that is because you have to radios setup to talk and listen on the EXACT frequencies as each other and that cant be. Radio A is set to Tx on say, 467.550 and that is the same as Radio B. Radio A is set to listen on 462.550. so is B. so if A and B are set the same way it will never work unless Radio A is transmitting on the freq that Radio B is set to listen on. Example is radio B would have to be set to listen on what radio A is transmitting. such as 467.550. Now if this is NOT what you're referring to then perhaps clarifying this a bit more.

ok, this is normal if im understanding you correctly. by your statement, "The units cant talk nor listen to each other" means by that statement that the two handhelds cant talk to each other. and that would be proper. if this were a Baofeng. id hit the *scn button to "reverse" the transmit and receive freq/s, (on only one radio) then the two "units" will talk to one another. that is because you have to radios setup to talk and listen on the EXACT frequencies as each other and that cant be. Radio A is set to Tx on say, 467.550 and that is the same as Radio B. Radio A is set to listen on 462.550. so is B. so if A and B are set the same way it will never work unless Radio A is transmitting on the freq that Radio B is set to listen on. Example is radio B would have to be set to listen on what radio A is transmitting. such as 467.550. Now if this is NOT what you're referring to then perhaps clarifying this a bit more.

ok, for those that were interested in the past, the Repeater that i originally put up last year had interference issues. those issues are resolved. the coverage is all of the battle mountain area proper and crescent valley providing a link between the two. im using two 6 element beam antenna's at 10.5 db. Angle of Coverage is 60deg per beam

" wonder where the line is drawn for the "repeaters are not allowed" on MURS frequencies" 95.1311 Repeater operations and signal boosters prohibited Murs stations are prohibited from operating as a repeater station or signal booster. This prohibition includes store and forward packet operation. Hence a parrot or simplex repeater is a store and forward device

the best way to understand a parrot is go to Argent Data Systems and take a look at theirs. i have one and works real nice and fits the kenwood/baofeng as well. https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/ as of now yes the rules do not permit even a simplex repeater for MURS. however, im sure in a post collapse etc or SHTF scenario if I had critical scenarios i would even use one. but they do have their place. one example is you can use a simple handheld with the parrot, and place it up on a mountain top someplace as a tool to test RF coverage etc. i've done that and when that works you remove it and place up a duplex repeater etc. but if someone has a MURS repeater going on. just keep in mind its against the rules. uhmmummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

As logan said. i own 5 of the UV5R's and use the heck out of them in the wildland fire service. I also do not have the Baofeng GMRS -v1 but what i know about Baofeng (pronounced Pofung). id not hesitate to buy one.

one thing NOT discussed here is your Latitude. where are you located? Logan is correct in that you will only have a few hours of sunlight per day, however, this is also based upon your latitude and location. I live off grid and use 600 watts of panels to charge my batteries for the house and also have wind power. I run my fridge etc off solar and have only minimal issues. i thus need to add another 300 watts to be excellent. i have a 60amp charge controller and have NO ISSUES. Also Charge Controllers are important. a 50watt panel may be enough if using one battery, very limited transmission time(duty cycle) on the other hand if youre in an area where you feel it will be used allot or even moderately. one 150 watt panel and 4 gel cells may be the ticket!! why 4? if this thing stays on around the clock and during winter you will experience current draw issues. during cold temps batteries give up their energy SLOWER than during warm temps. you will want to have the capacity of having extra amperes in those batteries for the around the clock uses. this also keeps the amperage up so the panels have to work less to charge up making operations faster. keep the batteries charged in the upper 1/3 of the voltage range and it should be fine. you spoke of a hunting cabin type environment. so this tells me limited use. however, the problem i see now is if the charge controller has a 5a limit and 2 25watt radios installed, it may pull 7amps. as it stands now id up the charge controller. then if you have a cooling fan that is likely another .5 to 1amp. and ZAP said it best. if using solar, run power at 10watts or less. we have been using 2 watt repeaters here in northern nevada for a range of 45 to 55 miles with good results. you dont need allot of power. you just need excellent antenna height and as open an area as possible

I could not get that to work at all for me. id set the Tx Rx pairs and it still tossed up an error.

I would say to make certain that if you are using Nagoya Antenna's then id order them from nagoya. http://www.nagoya.com.tw/s/en/2/product/VHF-UHF-Ham-Radio-Handheld-Antenna-c66883.html I've read many posts of people buying Baofeng's (pronounced POFUNG) thinking that theyre getting a legit radio. there are many counterfeit radios and antenna's. mostly with the antenna's. this is no different than using USB to UV5R programming cables. i went through 3 of them before i realized that Miklor had a review on the FTDI programming cables. used them and had not issues. this primarily if using CHIRP software. finally i said forget it. i ordered software from RTsystems for the UV5R and never had another issue programming.....NOT ONE! Then i got the Nagoya NA-771 and i've even used it for GMRS with ease and vastly over 30 miles. there are counterfeit antennas. and i think miklor or nagoya have a review showing the differences of the antennas and what to look for. they are NOT the same nor compatible. I on that same UV5R can sit in BatMtn and hit both the ham and GMRS repeater 14.3 and 16.54 miles away respectively on LOW power with EASE!! SO FOR you to say you cannot reach anyone on simplex on high power only 5 mi away i have to inquire as to a couple of things. Frequencies and freq step, is it matched for both radios? if the radio is transmitting in narrow vs wide that will have a radical difference. made that mistake once. is there a Rx PL setting on one radio and not the other? then you other issues that could cause interference. how about the BIG ONE....WIRELESS ROUTERS NEAR YOUR RADIOS?? if a wireless router is near any of the radios. FORGET IT. ALL BETS ARE OFF.

BAOFENG MAKES A NEW RADIO THAT IS FOR GMRS!!! the GMRS-V1 $55.00 https://baofengtech.com/gmrs-v1 ALSO Tera makes one for GMRS as well. the TR-505 GMRS $99.00 and both are repeater capable! https://powerwerx.com/tera-tr505-gmrs-recreational-handheld-radio