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18 minutes ago, marcspaz said:
Why? When we take the rules as a whole, its completely legal, as long as a GMRS user can't make or receive phone calls nor have data traverse the telephone network (which almost doesn't exist any longer).
Obviously it is not legal. I knew it.. Many of us did.. I'm not out to take advantage of anyone or anything Carry on,, Follow the rules.
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6 minutes ago, marcspaz said:
I don't think it's happening anytime soon. The list for 2024 was already released, all the proposed changes from 2023 are still pending, and I think the next release won't be until April of 2025 (possibly later), unless there is an urgent or emergent request by the POTUS. There is nothing about GMRS or Part 95 in the current list of proposed rule makings and it may bee years, based on what the pattern has been.
we will have to wait and see.. But we know one thing,,,, Linking tons of repeaters is not going to be tolerated and rightfully so. .
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8 minutes ago, WRXR360 said:
"Well? We're waiting..."
Ham Sandwich ???
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5 hours ago, gortex2 said:
You keep throwing out the kml data but you refuse to share it. ......................... O.K. I'll Share this
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1 hour ago, marcspaz said:
The rules about voice moving between systems over network-linked repeaters are vague
as vague as you want it to be to promote your own actions.. It's pretty clear just by mere explanation the FCC established for GMRS uses. Many (mostly back east), took advantage of the rules by establishing their own rules by their own interpretation. Even after many months ago the FCC clarified the rules. ( a few videos are floating about showing this). The FCC is obviously reflecting the rules by recent actions and I'm pretty damn sure we will be seeing a revision in the rules in short order so 'some' people' actually get it.
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2 hours ago, gortex2 said:
You keep throwing out the kml data but you refuse to share it. I know the area well and know what repeaters were in use. Its a pretty tight community in that area when it comes to the radio field. At this point it doesn't matter as its off and will stay that way.
become a paid member and get it yourself. LMAO.. You'll have to do a very small amount of work to get the KML data into a database format.. Excel will do it for you and should only take about 20 mins. I recommend using the Excel Table Formatting tools. Have fun. BTW,, it's about time these 'non compliant rogue' Linked repeaters disappear.
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3 hours ago, gortex2 said:
The system in question did not charge members. Nor was the system linked to PA or NC. Only some Western NY stuff.
did you listen to the first video. He admitted they were multi state.. and i can clearly see it on the kml database. And the database reflects paid membership on some of the repeaters.. not all but some..
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Linked across states, i.e. New York, Penn. I'm kind of thinking Carolinas too.... Or at least what i can see from the other side of the country.
It' pretty easy to figure to what the fCC is after... 200 members can create quite an impressive cash flow.. illeagly
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On 7/7/2024 at 9:20 AM, marcspaz said:
That is really weird to hear. The REACT team in the DCA doesn't own a single repeater. I don't think they charge to be a member either. That would be some shady stuff... for sure.
look on the data base, preferably the KML version so you can sort them out. New York, New Jersey, Penn and the Carolinas have quite a few. New York tops out. Some of these guys have double digit repeaters scattered within a small area and they are using every available repeater ch..
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On 6/29/2024 at 9:59 PM, WRYC373 said:
If anyone ever gives me GMRS QSO card I promise to hang it on the refrigerator.
I think the trash is a better place
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19 hours ago, LeoG said:
Paying to be in a club so you can use the repeater is the same as paying to use the repeater with a technicality.
the ones that crack me up and piss me off or the operators hiding under the REACT blanket and in Paid use status..... (not all but a lot) clearly opportunists at work.
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1 hour ago, marcspaz said:
Are people paying for repeater use, or are they members of a club that pay dues to be a club member, and only paying members can use club resources? I would think if the only resource is the repeater... that would seem to be a violation. Not that the FCC cares anyway.
I am a member of a Jeep club. There are free memberships and paid memberships. Paid members can vote in club elections and have access to resources (such as training and trail guides) that non-paid members can't access.
Listen in to some of them and give me your opinion. IMO someone is making money and probably used to keep adding more repeaters. and we haven't got into the tax write off part of it yet..
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23 minutes ago, marcspaz said:
Charging people to use a GMRS repeater is a rule violation.
yet 100's of repeater owners advertise as 'Paid Member Only'.. I imagine their loophole is "it's a donation'.... which i would understand if they also listed as a REACT repeater, but this is not the case in majority of 'Paid Member Only' repeaters Also, for the hell of it, i'll eaves drop on REACT repeaters when i get a chance, just to monitor the type of traffic going on.. 99% of the time, i note the traffic is not REACT related and mostly club members yaking about the brownies they cooked yesterday.. Just sayin.................
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1 hour ago, WRKC935 said:
Yeah, i dealt with a guy that was thinking he was going to do that. He had 15 paper repeaters registered on here. When I started looking into his 'system' I even found a business registered with the state where he was marketing air time on GMRS. The tower owner already had one open repeater on the air that he made open. I put my repeater on the air as well (675) that was open. My coverage footprint covered several of his 'pay to play' paper repeaters. Of course he wasn't happy. He threatened to call the FCC. I reminded him of the regulations for selling air time on GMRS and his repeaters started disappearing, not that they existed to begin with. In truth, I was never able to verify he had ANY repeaters on the air. But I know due to the location of several of them, there was never any equipment at those locations for at least the last 15 years because I was in those sites and there wasn't any GMRS or even UHF equipment at those sites.
But putting up free open access repeaters in the coverage area of pay to play repeaters typically makes them go silent. People will go with the free option every time if it's a good quality and fills their needs.
kind of reminds me of the 100's of new repeaters that people register but their status is always 'offline'.. Whats that purpose??? Are they trying to 'claim' a frequency they don't use... some pretty crazy thinking...
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32 minutes ago, LeoG said:
I think the larger repeaters might need rules so they don't overwhelm the area. Like putting up 8 repeaters on all the frequencies and then charging to use the repeaters.
Little guys putting up 5 or 10 watt repeaters for local area coverage for their families don't really impact the areas much.
yup, there is a growing number of those guys, mostly back east, some in the mid west. Where the hell do they get their money.. They sure have one hell of a large family,, don't they
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3 hours ago, SteveShannon said:
Given that the process the FCC uses to change rules hasn’t begun yet, there’s no chance before the end of the year.
we'll see what happens in the next 5-6 months.. Government has a way of dong what it wants.. We know that for a fact.
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4 hours ago, AdmiralCochrane said:
Want to wager a ham sandwich on that? Need to define "soon" before the wagering
Prbly before year end and no promises on REACT usage.. I know there has been some chatter on it..
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2 hours ago, LeoG said:
There are lots of non profit groups that are willing to help or front those bills. Might be hard to find them for FCC related lawsuits though. Never know though. You might piss off a lawyer that is an HAM enthusiast with a bunch of lawyer friends.
Pretty sure we will be seeing a clarification/revision to GMRS rules soon... And i bet those revisions address a lot more and could even address REACT usage. I see it coming.
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2 hours ago, LeoG said:
The FCC isn't going to be dragging people into court, the people are going to be dragging the FCC into court to challenge their rules/regulations that they make up by themselves and treat as law.
Ever gonna happen
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10 hours ago, marcspaz said:
There could be an argument that Internet connections is a telephone network. Pretty sure all internet providers are now offering VOIP as a revenue service. And working in the long haul industry for 30 years we had to adhere to all Telephone regulations when we transported VOIP with our internet service via fiber. In fact, we had to pass on all the regulated fees just as you see on landline.
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actually probably a good idea. That would be their last step and wouldn't change the outcome if you gave them the info on their 1st, 2nd request. Not sure how that would impact fines etc if the offense warranted penalties. Usually cooperating gets you a long ways, but not always. Probably would hire an attorney and follow what they say.
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I wouldn't give the FCC any of the that information unless they sent me a formal letter requesting it.. And i doubt seriously the FCC has any intentions of going any further with this matter. I would take this as a learning experience. move on and follow the rules. Now others will enjoy the open bandwidth to do their thing..
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On 5/3/2024 at 6:43 PM, WQTK477 said:
problem solved, 1 wire out of place....ugh
The process of learning…. Have fun with that repeater
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When I go up to Lake Crawley and fire up my portable repeater it gets a hell of a lot of use from boaters and campers, young and old alike. Kids even love it, they have a lot of fun with radio and i get a kick out of listening to them. . When i pack up and leave everyone misses the heck out using the portable repeater. Camping families are able to take their radios and keep in touch with camp from the lake all the way into Mammoth.. When someone needs to make a shopping run, they always use the repeater.. It was always hard for me to shut it down when i left. But someone has finally erected a permanent repeater in the area and it works great.. I hope it attracts the family side and it gets good use.. GMRS can be fun for everyone if it is used for the right purpose.
FCC Shutdown of New York GMRS Linked Repeater System
in FCC Rules Discussion
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a few people here struggle with the FCC's Definition of GMRS. It's possible the FCC left some of the rules vague to permit some very small scale use of linking etc for learning purposes hoping to entice a graduation into HAM radio. But Linking defiantly has gotten out of hand and it is hogging up tons of bandwidth and area. Its not fair to the intended user and even worse it's not right and even against the rules to use GMRS for any monetary purpose. Even if you are simply paying club dues. Sorry, but you linker guys need to explore the HAM radio world where repeater linking is organized and very well managed..