Photoman5k

More info please and thank you. ?

While it limits the TX power on the interstitial channels it does not specifically list HT portables in the 50w limit on the 462 and 467 main channels or specify a limit on the main channels for HTs at all. So that being the case, why can't a manufacturer make an HT that is capable of transmitting more then 5w on 15-22 and the repeater inputs? Thoughts?

Don't know how it could be misinterpreted the regulations are pretty clear on it.

I gave you an example of what a fixed station is. Other people gave you examples of what it is. From the example I gave you alone you should have been able to figure out that whatever it is you want to do or buy, a fixed station is not something you have to worry about. You're overthinking this whole thing. A fixed station has nothing to do with whatever it is your wanting to do, not knowing what that is exactly you want to do I'm still 1000% sure of it. If you're looking to set up a base station, you don't have to worry about it because a base station isn't a fixed station, and a fixed station isn't a base station. Unless your looking to use a GMRS radio to set up some type of alarm system, or two-way intercom system or something similar you don't need to worry about what a fixed station is. Stop overthinking things and just do what it is you were planning to do.

it explains the concept of a fixed stations though.

It's been answered.

That is actually much better and clearer than what the FCC gives as a definition. And you managed to do it without using "Fixed Station" as part of your definition. ? As an aside I give you all this from the office of the federal register pulled from the website of the federal archives. It's a guide on writing definitions for regulations. If you read through it then read through the definitions in the FCC's regulations you will very quickly see that the FCC itself has a hard time following guidelines. ?. Pay close attention to #4 ? And of course for those that don't like following links I quoted it below. Now I hope with the answer to the question finally out in the world we can allow this thread to go the way of the Dodo.

For as smart as you seem to be I cannot believe that what I said went over your head the way it did. A definition should not include in it the word/term/object being defined. Thats what the FCC did. That makes the definition clear as mud. That definition tells you what a "fixed station" can or cannot do, not what it is. If I ask you to define what a door is you can define it without using the word door in the definition can u not? Ok then so lets define a fixed station or give an example that would be a bit easier to understand rather than just keep regurgitating the same FCC definition that doesn't actually define what it is, but only tells us what it is allowed to do or not do. @UncleYoda I found this on an old thread on radioreferance.com forums thought i'd share it with you maybe it will help you a bit.

This is why you should never use the word/term that you're defining in the definition of it... You would think the FCC would stay away from doing such things to avoid confusion. But then again government agencies aren't known for doing things that make sense...

You wouldn't be suggesting people use the busy channel lockout function on their radios would you? ? Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who actually uses that function on their radios lol. Seriously though, I'll sit and listen to 4 or five or more people shoot the shit on any given night and always hear people walking on one another and it annoys the crap out of me because it doesn't have to happen. I'm the keeper of the radios for my little group of people and every single one of our radios is programed the same and every single one is set up with BCL on every single freq on GMRS for repeaters AND Simplex channels that we use. There should be no reason anyone is walking over anyone else's transmission because the radio has a feature built into it to keep that from happening. Why people don't use it is mind boggling to me. (ETA: It annoys me more than people using roger beeps and call functions) What types of groups? When I read that I pretty much read it as people using GMRS for purposes outside the scope of what the service is intended for. Oddly I think a lot of GMRS use by most people (myself included) is outside the scope of what GMRS was intended for. Yes most of my use is also outside that scope as I mainly use it with friends more then family however it's used to facilitate our activities, on fishing trips, backpacking, hunting, camping, hiking, road trips, things of that nature. We don't use it for long conversations that are better had over the phone. We still use phones while doing those things if we need to talk to someone about something and that conversation is going to be more then something quick like hey were jumping off at this exit or need help dragging a deer or hey everyone come back to camp lunch is about ready, things like that. About the only time we use them for more then that were doing something like paintball or airsoft. But that's the type of stuff that it was meant for. It wasn't/isn't meant for nets and fat chewing sessions and a lot of the stuff that it's being used for.

Normally can't pick them up though. Kinda nice to hear some different traffic. Only repeaters around me that have any traffic are Armored 1 and Armored RX. I'll pick up the Chain of Lakes repeater too but all the rest of the local ones are dead. Only other things i pick up are businesses and schools on the simplex channels or occasionally some kids playing around on the radio and being annoying.

Yeah figured that. Fun when that happens.

Im sitting here in SE Wisconsin about 7miles southeast of the Armored RX repeater and Ive been picking up a couple of ya'lls repeaters, one on 700, I think It's the VALPO 01 based on the RX tone and one or maybe 2 on 675 earlier today. I could hear traffic using two different RX tones, so I'd have to guess it was from both the Valpo675 and LaPorte675 as the tones matched both of those. Still picking up the one on 700 as I write this and I'm sitting in my basement writing this. We aren't linked into the system tonight, so I know for sure i'm not hearing you through the system. What are ya'll feeding those things? They are beasts tonight. ?

Not the first time Ive heard that but never really played around to find out. When I have the radio on at home I have to put push the tail up so it is perpendicular to the antenna or the radio won't stand up but I've never noticed a difference with it that way compared to the tail facing down. When it's in the radio pouch the tail is usually facing down. I'll have to play with it and actually pay some attention to it and see what happens.

How far away is it? Can you receive transmissions from the repeater? What's the terrain like between you and the repeater? I've got one that's 22-23 miles away from me I have no trouble hitting it with an ht however the antenna for the repeater is 300ft in the air and I live on one of the highest spots in my area. Everything east and west of me goes down hill. My buddy that lives a mile and a half south east of me. You cant hit that same repeater from his house with an HT unless you have the antenna on a mast about 30ft-40ft up. I have line of sight to it from my house, well at least according to This line of sight tool, but he doesnt according to the tool. And it seems fairly accurate since if we tell it the antenna is 30ft up at his location it says we have line of sight and when we put an antenna up on a 30ft mast we can hit the repeater with a ht. A lot of things play into what you can or cant hit. Height of the repeater antenna, height of your antenna, terrain between you and the repeater power of the radio to an extent, weather and atmospheric conditions this list goes on. I've been picking up a repeater someplace in northern Indiana(based on info from the convos) on the 675 frequency on and off all day today even recognized some of the voices and call signs from hearing them over the linked system and know they are Indiana folks. None of the other repeaters near me on that frequency are on the linked system and generally have no traffic. I only mention it it because its radio, strange stuff happens sometimes. Some times its annoying sometimes it's pretty darn cool.

Thanks for the answer. Makes sense that it happens from the repeater. Kind of surprised that it would happen from the bubble pack radios chick-fil-a uses. Just nice to know it's something out of my control lol. I'm actually surprised they use the 650 freq though since they have bot to be hearing that repeater ID over their radios every hour. I've scanned the ctss/dcs tones when they are on and they dont appear to be using any. Can only imagine what it would be like for them if that repeater had a good bit of traffic as is it crickets on that thing except when it IDs.

You show me where the FCC took action against a GMRS repeater owner for not IDing and I'll believe your interpretation of this is correct. Untill then I'll go with the interpretation of the many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many repeater owners/operators who don't ID their repeaters and have never had action taken against them by the FCC. ?

See that very last line? re-read it. As long as the person using the station(repeater) properly IDs there is no requirement for the repeater to ID. Thank you have a nice day.

It's been discussed way more times then i can count on this site alone and the consensus is that they do not have to ID. If they did have to ID don't you think a crapload of repeater owners would have already been ticketed/fined/ whatever by the FCC for not IDing? And we would have heard about it from them? I think so. Your interpretation of those regs is different than other peoples interpretations of those regs. I trust the explanation/interpretation given by someone else who runs multiple repeaters that are part of this very linked system as it would be in his best interest to have a very good understanding of the issue or not.

I like having the linked system, I can pick up three different linked repeaters here in SE Wisconsin, one of them is in N. Illinois and the other two are here in Wisconsin. I like the fact that the two here in SE Wisconsin are on the same pair. I'm on the outside edge of one of them, I'm like 20+ miles from it and can pick it up fine and hit it as well with a HT but having one closer now (5ish miles maybe) is even better. The one in Illinois comes in fine but never tried to get into it from here with the HT I'm guessing I probably could though. There are several other repeaters in the area that are not linked which is nice too because it would suck having multiple repeater pairs being ate up by the same traffic from the linked system. I couldn't imagine being in an area that had 4 or 5 or more repeaters on the linked system and hearing that traffic on multiple freqs or not having the ability to have a non linked local area repeater because all the pairs are tied up by linked repeaters. That would just suck. I don't know if the two here in SE Wisconsin by me were purposefully setup to be on the same pair, im guessing they were, but I like that they are. Because i don't have to hear the same traffic on multiple pairs.

Public or private it doesn't need to send a callsign. The repeater is not required to ID.

Not sure if it's the radio settings or something else but I often pick up transmissions from 650(channel 19) on 6375(channel 4) as well. It's not the greatest audio on 6375 but good enough to know it's the same traffic. Occasionally it bleeds over to 6625 (channel 5) too, though usually only when it's the local repeater on 650 sending out it's auto ID at the top of the hour. Happens regardless of the radio (kg905g, GMRS v2, GMRS v1, UV5R) or antenna(factory rubber ducks, Abbree 18.5in, na701g, na771g). Is this something I havent set up properly in the radios or is this something else outside my control? The crossover to 6375 & 6625 is only from the local repeater when it sends out it's auto id. But the simplex traffic on 650 from Chic-Fil-A which is like 4 blocks away can occasionally be heard on 6375 as well, again not clear but clear enough to know it's the same traffic. Anyone got any ideas?

Thats just how chirp does it for some reason, even if it's tone->tone it lists it as cross though strangely not always. not sure why either.

I dont normally program from the properties like that. I programed a channel into my radio using the freq and rx tx code. if i open up the memory properties mine looks like this. Frequency: 462.625 Name: RPT18 Tone Mode: Cross Tone: 229.1 ToneSql: 85.4 Tone Mode: Tone->Tone DTCS Tone: 23 Rx DTCS Tone: 23 DTCS Pol: NN Duplex: + Offset: 5.000000 Mode: FM Skip: Power: High

what program are u using to program the radio? nevermind i just caught you said chirp. Just to verify the Rx tone is 85.4 and the Tx tone is 229.1 correct?