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Yeah, I was just kidding about blowing them out of the water. I don't think I've ever heard anything on 19 so I'll light up on there. I'm sure none of it is intentional on their parts, they probably just don't know any better. On a brighter note, I was just out in the parking lot at work playing around with the radio and heard a couple of guys on that channel 16 repeater. I was able to use my cheapie moto handheld to scan for their PL and talked to the owner for a few minutes. It's way up on a mountain roughly 80 miles from here and sounded clear as could be. It's a private repeater but he said he doesn't mind someone using it for a quick call if they have to. Thanks for the explanation on the different squelch methods.

Replying to all above who have commented. I've still had no luck here. Understand the "woefully inaccurate" data cause and that repeater might be down. Have attempted to contact "Stoney" via radio Have not tried the "travel tone" suggestion. Not understanding what that might be. Help please. I do note on the MyGMRS.com page of repeater listing that there is NO travel tone used. I have attempted e:mailing "Stoney" several days back - no response to couple of attempts LIve only a a couple miles away so I'm gonna drive by and knock. I sincerely appreciate all of your responses!