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You're absolutely right, the ten codes vary from state to state and county to county. I remember when I was an active member of the Town Watch, the Ten Codes were not necessary used in Philadelphia Polce, because Philly PD & FD just use plain langue with abbreviations from certain things. Tacony Watch 10-4 Affirmative 10-20 Location or What is your Location? 10-36 Time Check 10-100 Break 10-Double 100 Off Radio End of Tour / Shift However, I always use 10-7 The other codes we use were same as PPD and PFD........ FLAST = INFORMATION ON SUSPECT OR LOST INDIVIDUAL LOCAL = FIRE NAT = NO ACTION TAKEN RTF = REPORT TO FOLLOW 5292 = NOTIFY THE CORRENOR'S OFFICE FOR POSSIBLE DECEASED INDIVIDUAL Well that's all I remember using when I was actually working, may have been volunteering, but work is work.

There I go again, putting my two cents without understanding the full concept of this topic. Beside with the new generation, the young folks ages 8 to 30 wouldn't understand radio lingo that public safety and truckers use to use back in the day. Of course, not just Ten Codes, but the other lingo, such Smokey or Bear Trap. Heck, I may have seen trucker movies too many times and I still get a kick out of those phases they used on the air. Of course. that was common on CB and once in a while 10 meters, even though most Amateur Radio Operators would cringe using that over the Amateur Radio Bands. But I'm sure as long as it complies with the Rules and Regulations, it shouldn't a problem. Meaning, Don't say Knocking over the coin jar or running up Rocky's Steps, because that could really be hidden and be classified as a possible Felony, which FCC doesn't take too kindly to.

I don't have an opinion on the WOUXUN 935G, but I do however have an opinion on the BTECH GMRS PRO. I own two GMRS PROs and even though they may not be MOTOROLA radios, I can't complain about them. Good Audio Bluetooth Programming by phone or tablet All around a great tool to have I am waiting for BETECH to unveil an Amateur Radio Handheld version for 2m / 70cm with DMR or NXDN IDAS. If it does have NXDN IDAS capabilities, I would have good radio to go railfanning with, since some Class 1 Railroads are using NXDN IDAS in certain areas.

In recent years, Most Public Safey Agencies have abandoned the use Ten Codes, for not all Ten Codes have the same meanings. There for, there were a lot of critical information mishandled, because not all agencies use the same protocols when it comes to passing information via radio from point A to point B. Last year while I was working as NET CONTROL/ DISPATCH at the 2023 City to Shore Bike Ride for the MS Society, So I did use 10-4 to be briefly to let whoever I was on the radio that I understood and agreed. Of course, there was one Amateur Radio Operator that gave me some slack for saying 10-4, but I used it as an aide to help me with my duties as Dispatch / NCS. I know that Amateur Radio Operators don't want to hear Ten Codes, especially 10-4, because to them that's CB slang. I get what they're saying, but to put in CB slang, 10-4 Good Buddy That's what I would not say, especially working communications for any event large or small. My suggestion, if you are going to use Ten Codes or Q signals over the radio, use them in a professional manner. You don't want to sound as if you have watched too many movies and TV shows, that's not professional. Everyone that you have to communicate with via radio, must be on the same page, but this day and age, plain language is the best option. Don't double talk ok 10-4 or I'm 10-6 I'm Busy. I am guilty of double talking when I use the radio sometimes, but most of the time, I just use plain language. I can just hear some members of this forum. say no dah. Adam, tell us something new, don't tell us what is obvious, but it sounds like Sleep Typing. You heard of Sleep Walking, well Sleep Typing or Talking in my Sleep. I can't disagree and I won't be hurt for being chewed out with criticism. 73 to All Adam WQAI 363

It seems that I post something or add my two cents, I always windup looking like an illiterate individual, which I'm not. I have to admit I confuse myself at times. because I do my best to be knowledgeable about the Rules and Regulations when it comes to personal or business communications. Right now, I'm surprised that have madid this far as a General Class Licensee and a VE. I should sound be more confident and be knowledgeable about the FCC Rules and Regulations from 90 95 and especially 97.

Oh Ok ! I apologize I made a slight error or completely way out there as if I don't know anything about radios or anything else. Sorry !

I just went back and did a search under FCC part 95 R&Rs section B the bandwidth requirement for FRS/ GMRS channels. I'm not ashamed to admit that I was wrong about the bandwidth. However, I was correct about transmitting power, channels 08 through 14 are limited to 1/2-watt = 0.5mw ERP. That's something you can say that I'm wrong about that. As far as the repeaters channel spacing requirements, someone goofed up 95 Section E. Either the FCC or the Radio manufacturers has made an error the majority the radios already out there. According to the FCC the repeater channel spacing is listed at 20.0k where manufacturers, such as BTECH MIDLAND or MOTOROLA has their radios set for 25.0k. Don't tell that I don't know what I am talking about, because I do, do my homework when it comes to radios or other things that I'm interested in.

Ok What Ever you said, I wasn't entirely missed informed. Hey, I read the FCC Part 95 rules and regulations, so maybe you see something that have I overlooked. However, I know for sure that I am correct in regard to channels 08 through 14 are narrow band and limited to 1/2-watt ERP. Don't tell me that I'm wrong, because I know what I have read, so you can't say that I entirely wrong, just I won't say you're entirely correct.

Welcome to wonderful world of Radio Communication! Obviously, you obtained your GMRS license for reason other than emergencies. Don't be afraid to ask questions, because that how you gain knowledge.

01 through 07 FRS / GMRS 2 watts ERP Handhelds or Mobiles 08 through 14 FRS ONLY 1/2watt ERP Handhelds Only 15 through 22 FRS / GMRS 5 watts Handhelds or Mobiles 23 through 30 GMRS ONLY HT 5watts, Mobiles 25 to 50 watts, Repeaters 25 to 50 watts

That's what I was trying to say! Thank You !

GOOD POINT! Yep, I put my foot in my mouth again. I apologize

I hear what you're saying. The majority of them bubble pack radios do cause headaches for a lot of repeaters owners and trustees, especially when you families that use them to keep track of their children. Then there's the kid playing with them and not thinking about what doing. And they don't understand that their conversation is being heard by everyone on that channel.

You know if you ever travel through Philadelphia PA / Camden NJ area, on 462.575 I don't know how many tones, but the one individual think he's high and mighty. Be careful, stay clear from that repeater.

I wanted say more now that I own 2 BTECH GMRS PRO. Sure there's gone to be some flaws, but overall, it's a simple radio to program and use. The BTECH GMRS PRO would even be more useful if a mobile version comes out. Especially for large events, such MS 150 City to Shore, that's if all volunteers have a GMRS license. I can't wait for BTECH to come out with an Amateur Radio UHF / VHF version. Hopefully, BTECH would include DMR or NXDN this way I could or any Amateur Radio Operator could also monitor railroads or other services.

I remember back in late 1970's early 80's, I had POWERWHEELS motorcycle, but I did not appreciate, because it did not have a workable 2 way radio. POWERWHEELS could have put a 49mhz radio with a portable for Mom Dad or Older siblings to communicate as they were on road.

I guess I shouldn't apologize for being too quick on the comments. You can say that folks from Philadelphia Pennsylvania don't always look before they leap. Ha Ha! Seriously, I sometimes don't read the entire post or I confused about what I have read. But I do try to stay on subject / topic.

I guess I wasn't reading the entire post, which I thought I understood what I read. I apologize for putting my 2 cents without reading the entire post.

This topic about FRS mobiles not FRS / GMRS, but Family Radio Service Mobiles I guess the individual who was asking if any exist. I believe another individual has answered their question. As far as newer FRS mobile, I haven't seen any. I doubt that manufactures, such as Midland or Motorola will produce one. I take that back Midland may, but the FCC has to approve remove able antennas, which I don't see that happening anytime soon.

LISTEN TO YOURSELF! You're going have interference no matter what you have. True you may not have as much problems using a repeater, but as long as radios have PL tones and some will scan and lock on, you can still find folks talking on those frequencies even on simplex.

What's there to misunderstand, very little. Licenses that were issued prior to 1987 are grandfathered. Meaning they can still use the GMRS frequencies for commercial use. I doubt that there are businesses out there with GMRS licenses, but you never know. I guess the Town Watch that I was a member of were bending the rules and regulations when we went from CB to GMRS in 1993. Only two board members were licensed, and we piggybacked off of their licenses. Plus the radios we had were YAESU FTH 7008,which I'm sure were Part 90 Typed Accepted. I confused when the FCC changed the channel allocations. I knew GMRS was simplex and repeaters. I thought the FCC add 464.5000 / 469.5000 464.5500 / 469.5500

A lot of radio manufacturers have made small errors on channel spacing especially on the BTECH GMRS PRO. It's impossible to get Channels 1 through 7 and 15 through 22 on 20.0khz. They will only do 25.0khz. which technically is off by 5khz from what I see in the FCC Part 95E. Channels 8 through 14 are the ones that meet FCC requirements for narrow band.

I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me, but I'm confused. I didn't mean to confuse you, I was just stating some facts. I really can see why parents don't want allow their children to have cell phones, but FRS only has limited range in most areas. Finding an open GMRS repeater sometimes can be hard, but just like the FRS, simplex range varies on GMRS Handhelds.

I already knew that Amateur Radio Licenses only covers the Licensee and not family members If I wasn't aware of that, I wouldn't be a Volunteer Examiner. The only way to have a friend or family member who doesn't have a license under your license, you must physically be present supervising the person.

Having an Amateur Radio License and a GMRS License is Great. After all everyone who are involved in Volunteer Public Service, should be able for non-Hams. Even individuals who don't have either license. No matter what if you're working a PSE or working a large-scale emergency relief, it's a excellent idea to have both.