Bdog

if you are going to program radios btw you should avoid Motorola series. Good radios but their dealer program is quite aggressive about allowing non dealers access to programming software. Also don't be an idiot. If you don't k ow what you are doing don't do this.

Another suggestion, would be the kenwood tk series. It takes some doing but the software and programming cables are available. The 880 I got as an eBay purchase and it's been mostly great. I would not recommend purchasing a radio withou the ability to program it, unless you buy a commercial preprogrammed radio with privacy codes already in it. I had a local dealer program for me but they didn't do the tones right and it was very expensive. They did go over the radios for me though and tuned them up. It was very difficult to find a dealer willing to work with non governmental customers.