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No need to apologize at all. I didn't take it that way. I phrased my response the way I did to give context to why I believe it is necessary to take an exam to participate in Amateur Radio. I think I could have framed my response with a bit more concise background. While the people who participate in groups like this forum are either more technically inclined or want to be, most people I know who use GMRS treat it like FRS, MURS and CB radio... its a toy to many of them. Best case, it enables them to enjoy outdoor activities and its mostly an afterthought. Sorry for the confusion.

Because Amateur Radio isn't just a toy to BS on. RF related experimentation is a huge part of amateur radio, with a lot of new experimental technology coming out every year. There needs to be some kind of verification that people are aware of the laws, rules and regulations surrounding the abilities allowed through the licensing and use of amateur radio.

Great to hear! Glad it's working out. This is good info for others thinking of going that route, for sure.

Welcome! Hope you all have fun. I'm in VA, these days.

I just want to know if you guys are making it do dinner on the 25th. All this other stuff is a silly distraction. LoL

I have sent him PMs that have never been viewed. Hope he's okay. Have you communicated with WRWI949 or are they in the wind? They are pulling a Richard move.

Tees are okay for sampling. I personally use a 50ohm 40 dB or 60 dB attenuator, depending on what transmitter and PA I'm testing. Any brand would be fine as long as the correct resistance and rated wattage are there. For example, when testing radios that are 5w or less, I just use a 10w attenuator. For 100W radios, I use a 200w attenuator, etc. Just so you (and others) understand, I am not upset/mad/whatever with you or PE's in general. I also hope you don't get offended by what I am typing... my goal is just a conversation. If we end up disagreeing, it is what it is... That said, @tweiss3and @Sshannon seem to get it, which is awesome to see. @WQWX838 based on what you wrote, I think you (like many others I speak to) may believe that a PE is the only real engineer in the US, and that is incorrect. For example, in my field, there are engineering programs accredited under the ANSI ISO/IEC Standard 17024:2003. They are the ONLY formally approved programs recognized by the U.S. Department of Defense in their Information Assurance Technical (IAT), Managerial (IAM), and System Architect and Engineer (IASAE) categories. So, if someone wants to be an Engineer or Architect in my field, a PE accreditation is worthless. Candidates MUST be a certified Information Assurance System Architect and Engineer (IASAE) or employees aren't going to be allowed to work as an Engineer for the DoD, like... not at all. To become a certified IA engineer or architect, not only are there training requirements, there is a minimum amount of time potential candidates have to spend in the industry before they are even allowed to signup for the test. Also, even if their resume meets the time, training and relevant experience requirements, they still can't just signup for the test. Candidates must have a currently certified IASAE vouch for you, by being your sponsor for taking the test. I'm not taking anything away from PEs. I believe 100% that certified and licensed titles should be protected from fraudulent declarations by people. I guess my point is I just think some PEs need to dial the arrogance back a bit and realize there are other types of engineering programs, certifications and licenses. Its not "you're either a PE or your not an engineer." Obviously, not all PEs think this way, but enough do that it has caused me some heartburn in the past.

10-4 on the 10-100. QRX 0415 UTC. QSL

First, you have to understand the history of the restriction. This type of rule is what is commonly referred to as a Sentence Enhancer. Meaning, if you are committing crimes... you are going to be charged with violating the law. If you use a radio to commit the crime, you now have violated another law and will be charged with another crime. If you used codded messages, concealment or some means to hide the fact that you are breaking the law while using a radio to do it, this Rule becomes a sentence enhancer for the Law you violated and you are now charged with 2 counts of violating the law restricting the use of the personal radio service to commit a crime. If you are very obviously talking in some type of code, are caught and are suspected of committing a crime because you are violating this rule, even if you are found not to be committing a crime, you risk getting anything from a No-No letter from the FCC to jail time. So, since I am pretty sure you already know the answer to your own question, just don't be a dumb-dumb about it and you will be fine. Don't attempt to define the undefinable. If what you are saying is public knowledge, generally published, or generally excepted as not a cipher, code or some form of concealment, everyone listing will know. Context is everything.

No doubt. 100% agree. What we do is way too important. That's good to hear. I stopped doing coordinations years ago. Too much work for too little money. Sounds like things have changed for the better. Good luck and keep us up to date!

I'm sure it can be coordinated if there is an available national frequency. It's not the norm, though. Hopefully you will get something worked out. SA is definitely not forum lingo. I think, maybe, people like me have introduced it to this forum, though. SA has been being used by every EE I personally know (grandfather, father and friends alike) for decades, to quickly describe System Analyzers, Spectrum Analyzers, Service Monitors, etc.. In fact, it's so prolific in the industry, that manufactures of the novice / entry level equipment are literally using the SA acronym as part of the device name. TinySA being the most well known. That's a nice collection of gear. Signal generators, tone generator, O-scopes, service monitors, power supplies, etc. I miss the days of having a work bench that looked like that. I still spend good money on Weller equipment. Especially the adjustable temp soldering stations. Yeah, when I saw your post, I figured that was the case. That's why I clarified. I have to say, I understand the whole PE thing and it makes sence. If you are not College of Engineering accredited Professional Engineer (PE), don't tell people you are. No issue with that, whatsoever. My problem is with many of the members, more so than the process. My opinion is, if you engineer stuff for a living, you are an engineer... I have and continue to engineer RF and computer networking solutions for DOD, federal law enforcement, etc., with my professional title issued by those government agencies as either Engineer or Sr. Engineer. However, I have had numerous PE's (that I am not acquainted with) tell me I am lying, there is no way I am an engineer. They say I am nothing more than a talented technician working under a 'real engineer' (them implying a PE) and there is no way a government agency would hire an Independent Consultant to be a lead, senior or the only engineer on a contract if they are not a PE. Considering I spent 26 years of my near 39 year long career doing exactly what they say would never happen, I find the entire group snobbish, arrogant and ignorant, as they struggle to justify what they accomplish. The sad part is, they don't have to justify anything. From a skills and education prospective, PE's have accomplished amazing things in life. They just need to stop tearing down other people who do the exact same work, but without the same certifications.

I agree. I use expressions like "I'm Oscar Mike" and "my other radio is Tango Uniform". It's not really perceived as code. I'm just using nuanced words to convey the meaning of a thought. Or, when I am going to meet friends somewhere, I'll say "I'm 10 minutes from the spot." if I want to give someone an update. It's no one else's business where "the spot" is. No one could even remotely argue that you are being deceptive. If I am talking to my wife and say, "okay, I'll meet you at your mom's house.", someone can't seriously accuse us of using code, false or deceptive language because I didn't provide 123 Main St. Smallville, US as the destination. Mom's house is good enough and it's no one else's business. That said, if you're talking on the radio to a 'friend' and you say you are about to deliver 22 kilos of white bananas to the warehouse and you're expecting the customer to have 9 million gallons of green paint ready for pickup, I think that will raise some eyebrows of anyone listening. LOL

I 100% understand that. I am pretty sure you and I have discussed that I use a Comet SBB-1 when I am going offroad or in a known limited clearance area. A slight performance tradeoff for survivability is definitely a smart choice. A high performance antenna that is broken because of a tree or i-beam doesn't help at all.

An SA is a spectrum analyzer, used to test electronic equipment of all types. While folks like me typically use them for two-way radio work, they are also used in the automotive world, computer manufacturing and testing, and many others you may not even suspect, like robotics. As far as a business radio license goes, keep in mind that your privileges will be regional. Meaning, you will only be legal to use the frequencies in specific areas. This is to reduce interference around the country, due to the limited spectrum. I am a Computer Systems Engineer and Systems Architect, with some background in Electronics Engineering. However, I am not a P.E., which as a very different thing. The National Society of Professional Engineers and Professional Engineer Licensure College of Engineering have more or less hijacked the phrase 'professional engineer'. They have sued people who have said they are professional engineers, taking the two words (used together) out of context and twisted statement to appear people were claiming to be College of Engineering accredited Professional Engineer (PE). So, again, not a PE nor do I do what PE's do. I don't have a LinkedIn profile, intentionally, for many reasons and won't be adding one anytime soon. While I can do some volunteer work with some organizations not related to my career and help friends/acquaintances with small tasks, etc., I am on a very strict limitation with regard to providing any commercial services. That said, notionally, I may be able to offer help/advise for things as they pop-up. Just PM me here.

Yep, GMRS has been around for at least 60 years. @kirk5056, the original service was formed in the '60s, called Class A Citizens Radio Service. It was renamed (and some rule changes occurred) in '87, to General Mobile Radio Service. The last round of rule changes occurred in 2017, including a lot of definition updates. On September 30, 2019, US legislature passed a law making it illegal in the USA to import, manufacture, sell, or offer to sell radio equipment capable of operating under both GMRS rules and FRS rules. This lead to the most recent round of 'new radio builds' we are seeing.

AND... in most of the nation, all of the services are grossly underutilized.

It sounds like a step back, if I am reading it right. Do you feel it's close, or are you not happy?

This was a fun convo. This guy is trying to get a new channel going, and I figured I'd share. If you get a chance, check him out and see if its something you may like. I think it would be fun to call him up and help with content. K5KAB Ham Radio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8Yj7gP19Xg&t=1s I love that I was able to just come in right over the top of everyone else. +5 - +10 dB on his end makes me happy. LOL

Man, I have to be honest, I feel like the internet and my cellphone/smartphone has made me dumber. Like so much so, that I'm not sure I even spelled 'dumber' correctly, but I don't want to look it up because that perpetuates the problem. LoL

I believe you are correct in that my phase noise comes from unwanted digital oscillations in the VCO circuit of the Exciter or between the VCO and neighboring circuits. SA manufacturers have a feature to remove this from the results, referring to it as a "mirror spur". I don't like suppressing them, because I want to know if there is a quality issue. I haven't built a transmitter in a long time, but knowing if my gear is any good is a plus.

It's working again!

I am going to be north-bound in about 40 minutes. If you send me a text with some repeater info, I can help with signal reports. When I get to my office, depending on what you're running, we may be able to do simplex testing to. Let me know if you don't find anyone local to you.

LOL No doubt! For others who are not technically inclined, in the PDF, the smallest spur is -90 dBm. To translate that to something easily understood... if you set a typical radio squelch to a 4, you only need less than half of that power to open the squelch and start hearing the signal.

@Lscott Great find on the PDF! and... Wow... that makes both my head and my heart hurt to look at.

Ah! Cool. I'm looking on my phone and my near vision isn't great, even with glasses. New picture looks great! I can't like anything else today. Such an odd limitation.