sorry for the confusion, us old farts talk like everyone knows what we mean, yes out tone is just not TX the cw id with the encode tone on, that way we just don't have to hear it, could not have explained it better gortex2 and wrkc935, the i20r did have power in the first couple of components but that's as far as we got with testing, while we were transporting it fell on the street and got ran over, a quick death, just the i20r not the whole repeater, i gave it a nice burial, thanks for the controller suggestions gortex2, that i20r just fits so good in the gr300 box, i guess my question did help some new people understand what in and out tone cw id means.