73blazer

I'd like to be able to tune to general channel say 16 and not hear one particular tone's traffic. Is there a GMRS radio that lets you do that? I know my 935G will let me filter out all but one tone, to hear only a particular tone or even a particular other radio id, but I want to filter out one particular tone and hear all others.

Because, @WRUU653 in the context of enforcement, it's meaningless. If you look at any enforcement action the FCC has taken, they ALWAYS point to exactly what rule your violating. They can't point to an informational webpage, and say there, see, we said no linking. They can only enforce, actual rules. They have to point to a rule your breaking. It'd be like your local city or township office publishing a web page saying, "Stairways in homes are dangerous as we see it, no home is allowed to operate or use or install a stairway." Well, police can't arrest and prosecutors can't charge unless someone is breaking an actual law. So, it's just noise on a page. I think what they're saying is we're trying to clarify the rule. (but their clarification isn't being clear on the action of clarifying ) . The Rule, as published 18Feb2024, is this: The first part is pretty clear, it says telephone connection not allowed. So, other networks are allowed? Now the second part (and 95.349 says the same thing the 2nd sentence here does) says other networks are allowed for sole purpose of remote control and this is where it gets murky, because it says that, one can reasonably take that to mean other networks are not allowed for linking, just remote control. Any contract lawyer will tell you, and I'm not a lawyer, and this isn't even a law, it's a rule, that if any ambiguity is raised, what comes first is what goes. If the first sentence was omitted, then it would be clear, no linking. (to a lawyer). But the two stmts contradict themselves and the 1st one usually wins, when contested. (Which is why laws usually have some wording like "no part of section d will be invalidated by section a,b,c" etc. ) The point is, certainly it's arguable either way. They can't enforce what's not a rule. If they were to enforce it, it would be easily argued, and given their record of enforcement, it's hard enough for them to enforce clear violators violating clear rules. And to be clear, I don't care. Given what I heard last Friday night on the 1st repeater to be in my range, which happens to be linked to 3 others, I'd vote for not linking. And if you watch the video in the other post, the woman FCC person says earlier on in regards to a question on enforcement ( in general, not gmrs linked repeaters) that they won't take unilateral enforcement action. Enforcement only happens when there is a) a danger to life or property b) someone complains about rules being broken. And by someone, they usually mean many complaints about a violation. And the end of the day the rules are there for us. Certain rules need to be there protecting life/emergency services, etc. But there is no harm in GMRS linking or not linking, so it should be, up to us, the GMRS community.

And for the love of God, what's with the changing color lights on that display in the background of that meeting?!?!?!?! THAT, should be against the rules and warrant a letter of intent to cease and desist.

In other words, it would be extremely easy, and cheap, for the FCC to put a stop to linked GMRS repeaters. Lets be generous and say there are 1000 linked GMRS repeaters in operation (i bet there's not a 1/4 of that.but...for the sake of argument). Every one I've come across is registered with a call sign.Lets be generous and say it takes a $100k/yr FCC enforcement agent 1 week to find all such linked stations. (I bet it wouldn't take more than a day or two, but for the sake of argument) That's $1923 in that persons time. You can easily start with sending all of them a letter stating their common interpretation of the rules and for them to please cease operation of their linking. What's a stamp today, $0.68. That's $680. + the $1923 in the FCC agents time. For $2603 they could stop a massive percentage of the operating linked sites. If they wanted to.

But "other networks" are not prohibited. And to @ultra2 question, nothing is "illegal" , only, against the rules. The EPA can fine a company for spewing out gross amounts of whatever, but they cannot put people in jail, or admonish you in any legal way, unless you've broken an actual law. The most they can do is fine you, the most they would do is probably nothing, and if they did do something, it would probably be , a letter in the mails asking nicely that you cease doing that. And they can only enact enforment, if somebody complains against you breaking said rule, and they catch you breaking that exact rule. I'm not advocating breaking the rules, i hate it when people don't ahere to the rules, the rules here are clearly not clear. A stmt on a webpage by one person, or in a video from one FCC person in on area of the country, doth not make a rule. The rules are ambiguous at best. Until it's an actual rule, AND, enforced, nobody, will care. And new GMRS linked repeaters will continue to come online.

I fully understand it was from an FCC website. But it's one guys stmt. I even watched the video given in the other thread of him actually saying it, "GMRS should not be linked." But again, ti's ones guys interpretation, one FCC employee in one area of the country, does not make a rule. The Rules, are ambiguous at best. It somewhat leans toward no linking, but it's not clear. As a small business owner who pays a contract lawyer many times a year, in his words, having wording like that is basically unpurpose to create a grey area. If you don't want grey areas, you don't put wording like that and it's pretty easy to avoid grey areas with words. I could really care less if they're linked or not. But rules are rules. Laws are laws. And silly stmts on pages nobody will ever look up because they're not rules or laws, are ....silly stmts. Make it a rule, at least. Better yet, enforce the rule as an agency they way they think it should be enforced. Mabey then people will listen. Until then, new linked GMRS repeaters are coming online every few weeks.

It's not in the actual rules, just some silly mention, which could be a misinterpretation of the actual rule, or a carry over rule from some other service, or even just a plain mistake, on a rogue web general informational page that 95% of people would never see. Your putting up a repeater, you check the rules. Not rogue informational pages. So, I would dispute the "ruled them illegal" . Until it's in the actual rules, it's not a rule. Even then it's just a "rule". Certainly not "illegal". There are so many linked repeaters, they wouldn't just go around and start issuing fines, which is the most they could do anyway They would most likely start sending warning letters. But, again, they can't even do that until it's in the actual rules. CB is supposed to be 4watts. But I've yet to see any of those 1500w jibber jabbers on there fined, sent letters, or have any enforcement whatsoever. So it appears, the FCC, doesn't care. That said, When a new repeater, the 1st one within my access range, came online last weekend, it is linked. I was initially happy. Had some good conversations with some people. But then last night came. The Friday night tomfoolery. Holy cow the idiots on there. It was exactly why I stopped running a CB radio. Yeah I can just turn it off or filter that repeater station out, but..they're broadcasting this stuff across 1/4 of the state. The first actual law we need is to ban any radio from have that stupid emergency/call button!

This isn't a few trees around a suburban house. It's heavy forest for a good few square miles around and I can count the homes on one hand. To make any significant gain, I'd need to get above the forest canopy, at least 80' . That really needs a tower. That ain't happening. The HT with the 771G antenna hits it for now as long as I'm outside. I imagine that will not be the case when foliage returns. More wattage might help, there's a few HT that do 8w now. I know some say that won't make a difference, but that has not been my experience in these woods. The 935G at 5.5w does 1.25 miles or slightly more depending, while a 4w radio barely does 1mile and the 935G at mid power (IIRC 3w?) barely does .5mi, thats all, in the woods here. A base station with 50w would certainly get out better. It won't receive any better though. I just don't see myself as a basestation kind of guy. My wife would certainly say it's just another excuse to talk to somebody, that isn't her.

I was admonished today for using a roger beep on a repeater. "the repeater already has it, please turn that off". I normally have it off as it's not good when hunting, or even just being out in the woods talking with my wife, it's rather annoying. But I thought it was "common" when talking on repeaters. Apparently not.

I was able to figure out the input tone. I can hit this repeater! Barely. They say I sound like dog doo-doo. One guy told me where it is, not surprising it and me sound like crap, it's 20mi away. And I'm in heavy woods. And this is all flat land. I guess it was stood up just yesterday. HT to HT simplex all I can get is about 1.25mi in these woods. Anyway, mystery solved!

I concur! I figured out how to slow it down in audacity and was able to write down the dots and dashes and look them up. Interesting.So some ham guys were using it yesterday or their dual operators and just instinctively used their ham call sign. I heard two call signs this morning, those were GMRS ones. So that means there's a new repeater in town, and it's networked to to others! I doubt I'd be able to hit it with an HT from my heavy woods. It barely comes in.

If it's a GMRS repeater, then the three people talking yesterday identified with HAM call signs, I had looked them up. I'll see if I can catch some more call signs today.

Sounds alot more interesting than the talk I hear around here! Not trying to ruffle feathers. It was just an observation. You can talk about anything you want to talk about, well, I might have to report you if I start hearing any talk about Taylor Swift.

Here's a recording of the morse. I tried some online decoders, no luck with them. It sounds like crap, lots of background noise. The HAM sites around here all come in clear as a bell on that radio. This sounds like total garbage. But the morse is fairly clear. The online decoders I could find both said: I Ð <AS> H ' <SOS> ? recording.mp3

Where I live, there is basically 0 GMRS traffic. When I'm out and about in the back 40 I usually carry a radio so my wife can get me when she wants as there is sparse cell coverage here as well. Usually set to channel 16. There are no "listed" GMRS repeaters anywhere close to being in range. There used to be one, but it's long gone. I havn't had a radio on in a few weeks, so it started sometime in the last two weeks, but yesterday when I turned mine on, I'm hearing a linked HAM repeater on GMRS 16, the channel I usually use. I scanned the usual HAM bands I know operate around here and it's none of them. Different people as well. They're jabbering away on it again this morning. I've no way to identify this repeater aside from trying to record the morse beeps when someone hits it. Or I need a Marconi operator from the 1915 to identify them for me. The people talking on it are from hundreds of miles away in different directions, so I know it's some linked network. I have a few of their call signs , all HAM, but I think rather pointless to contact them. Either it's bleeding over or someone misconfigured a repeater somewhere, or someone purposely linked HAM to a GMRS channel? I don't think that would be kosher. I guess I need to set a radio to scan all HAM bands to see at least what HAM frequency it's coming in as, if any? Any suggestions how to identify this channel 16 bleeder? And why is it that every HAM operator seems to only talk about HAM equipment, radios, antennas, setups...that's all they ever talk about!

Who's using GMRS on the road to make random contacts? except to talk to another vehicle in their own convoy or party. I put mine on scan in my car while traveling OH, MI and WI and never heard one person on any GMRS frequency even in Detroit, Columbus, Cleveland, Chicago, Milwaukee. Not one. Well, except when I hit a repeater or two and someone was monitoring and talked back. I don't think there are many people driving around with a GMRS radio in their car, or even using GMRS to begin with. It's primary use by far is still among a group of people on an outing somewhere, overlanding, hunting groups etcc....or kids playing with FRS radios. Making a contact or raising anyone for info or help on channel 19 or any GMRS frequency on the road seems, all but a futile effort anywhere near me.

Amazon is by far the worst. In my rural area their delivery is new and alot of it still goes thru UPS/FedEX/USPS, but for some stuff they do deliver directly, they've hired "local contractors" (basically anyone with a car). So you get a meth head with missing teeth showing up in flip flops and a torn shirt and jean shorts, in their personal rusted out 1990 Ford Econoline van with bald tires all with no markings, visible id badges, labels, signs, nothing, delivering your package and scoping out your house for later thefts. Zero vetting going on there whatsoever. I've rarely ever ordered from them because you have no shipping choices, but my wife did, until they started sending these meth heads to our house.

The notice doesn't say that though and they're usually pretty specific and accurate about their actions and words. It says they just monitored the transmissions

They cited him among the main offenses, for use of a non-certified GMRS radio on GMRS frequencies. That, is very interesting. How'd they know that?

I've used a Yeasu FT-65 HAM radio for this. Great quality little radio. OOB it can only transmit on HAM bands, but you can easily find the unlock code online, type it in on the keypad (no computer required), and that allows it to transmit on GMRS, MURS (or any band it's capable of). I'm not a HAM, but sometimes while going walk-about by myself in no cell areas, areas I know there's a HAM repeater or two, which I have programmed in and in case of some emergency, it's nice to know I can hit a HAM repeater and perhaps get some help and since it can do GMRS with the unlock code I use it as a spare to give to extras in our larger overlanding trips.

Spying is real and does happen. But you need to think about what targets they would get the most data from. A radio designed for recreational use that sits ina box in the basement 99.999% of the time and that transmits openly without encryption is not a device that would be targeted. You can monitor said devices with a simple spy balloon, it's much easier. I had a 2015 Lenovo business laptop (mobile workstation really) I bought new and did notice while it's turned off, a spurious MAC that wasn't the normal network cards MAC would connect to my open wifi guest network for a few seconds every few hours. I could remove the battery and those connections wouldn't happen. Bloomberg then published an explosive story about embedded spy chips in many laptops, desktops and servers whose boards had pre-assembled parts by one company for various computer manufacturers, Lenovo included. Lenovo quickly issued a bios update to stop said "spying" . I I would consider it a direct attack on 'merican companies. But the point is, it does happen.

Note that the first 3 or 5 chars of the FCCID are the manufacturer code, and everything past that is manufactuer specified, some use the radio model number like Retivus, some just number their grants, like Wouxun does just WOUXUN19,WOUXUN20,WOUXUN21 etc, the 935G is WOUXUN26 so your gonna have to look at the actual grant document (change results to html and you'll get clickable links to the related docs) to find any model number it relates to. You also may get additional results by changing the application purpose to one of the permissive change ones as they tend to get a change grant and not original grant on an existing radio if it's really not much different, like a 935G plus.

Put in a date range (I put 01/01/2000 to 04/05/2023), application purpose of original grant and frequency range 462 to 468 uncheck exact, and rule part 95e and it comes up with a list of 239 radios

If you use too broad of search terms, it's usually times out. Like if you just fill in part95e and hit search. Eventually you will get lucky though and it'll come thru. If you refine the search a bit more it usually works better.

With 175' of elevation difference and no major obstacles like other 200' hills in between, I would think 2miles would be pretty easy. I can hit a repeater about 6miles away on what I believe is about 150' tower in flatlands where I'm at from my house in fairly heavy woods, without any issue. Well, until the repeater went offline a few weeks ago?