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    WRVL973 reacted to PastorGary in A Word of Caution - Posting Personal Info.   
    We have seen that the Google, Bing, Ask and other search engine spybots are camped out here reading new posts. Just a word to the wise... use your discretion in posting personal or sensative information that could possibly compromise your personal safety, security, lead to identity theft, or give non-licensed individuals a way to access your radio systems.
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    WRVL973 reacted to coryb27 in You just got your GMRS license, now you want your own repeater?   
    That's not a mobile repeater in that pic, its a HAM operating HF. As far as a mobile repeater it really is a waste of time. I have done this already and it was a total disappointment.. Unless your car is at a substantial height advantage you will not have any better coverage then simplex. Again you can and will try to explain or reason away my logic without listening to what I and others have been trying to tell you. I have tried the mobile repeater, the setup was a 50W Motorola SLR 5700 with a 4 cavity BP/BR duplexer connected to a 5.5dB gain antenna on the top of my truck. After testing for about month I realized it had no practical use and only offered slightly more range than simplex, best part I ended up needing a jump after a day at the fair. Mind you this was a $2400 repeater, $800 duplexer with an antenna that was tuned using an Anritsu S331D. I promise I nor anybody on this site will try to steer you wrong, I hold a Commercial, Amateur and GMRS license, own and operate several large repeaters and have all the gear for building, testing and maintaining these kinds of systems.
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    WRVL973 reacted to gortex2 in You just got your GMRS license, now you want your own repeater?   
    Corey is dead on. I spent many thousands of dollars on each repeater system i have online and have money sitting in new repeaters waiting for towers. It is not uncommon to spend upwards of $10,000 if buying all new gear. My last repeater that went online was a MTR3000 ($6500.00), Duplexer ($1800.00), 7/8" Hardline (175' @ 2.50'), DB408 - ($800.00), plus connectors, hangers, cable pulls, ground kits, ground wire. Yes we can all do this stuff for a lot less but it really depends on what you want out of the repeater.
     
    If you start your post with "Currently running on two Baofeng 5R with limited range" then its not a repeater that we should be putting in a database nor one that will benefit you or others. The goal is to have a repeater that is beneficial to the end user. 
     
    Since I moved south I have 2 repeaters, antenna's and hard line. Neither are up yet as i want it to be worthwhile. One is waiting on a tower for my house and the other will be on a 400' tower if i can ever work out an agreement with the owners. 
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    WRVL973 reacted to PastorGary in You just got your GMRS license, now you want your own repeater?   
    Staff Memo - The subject of this thread is important enough, for newly licensed user reference, to pin it to the top of this posting area.
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    WRVL973 reacted to coryb27 in You just got your GMRS license, now you want your own repeater?   
    Why does every new license holder want to setup a repeater? I would like to shed a little light on some of the important things to consider if you recently got your GMRS license and now want your own repeater.
     
    First thing to consider, are there any open well placed repeaters in your area that you are able to use? I can assure you most repeater owners want people to use there repeater. Owning several repeaters I can assure you all are welcome and encouraged to use my machines.
     
    Do you have access to a location to host your repeater? If your answer is your garage roof you should reconsider. Your garage roof will give you about the same coverage as simplex. Unless you’re on top of a mountain and all your users are at the bottom you will never be happy with this setup.
     
    GMRS is not as popular as one would like to think, unless your repeater covers 20 miles or more you may find you only have 1 or 2 users in the area. Unless you already have a group of friends together you may want to consider this before spending money on a decent well positioned site to install your repeater.
     
    So you found a nice high site and the price is right, all you need to do is get the repeater installed, sounds simple right? Some thigs to consider first and foremost are the costs because they can add up quickly. Are you on a commercial tower that requires a license and bonded climber? If so this could be by far your largest expense depending on your area. I have spent $600 to $1200 on a climber; I have had quotes as high as $2500 depending on the amount of work and heights involved.  Keep in mind commercial sites require certified mounts, hard line cable, cable clamps, engineered grounding solutions and commercial grade antennas. No tower owner is going to let you install a comet antenna and 200’ of braided shield coax.
     
    This brings me to my next point, the antenna. Because of the costs involved with climbers you will want to expend your budget on the antenna. Remember a $2000 repeater on a $200 antenna is going to work about as good as a $200 repeater.  Whereas a $200 repeater on a $2000 antenna is going to work like a $2000 repeater. On my first repeater I was gifted use of a 150’ tower, I installed a DB-420 on the top and 160’ of 7/8 hardline. Total cost of equipment for the antenna install was $2500, with the climbers labor coming in at an additional $800. This left me with enough to purchase an old Motorola R100 repeater running at 25W. To my surprise it had 30 miles of coverage, all due to the cash spent on the antenna and waiting for a decent spot.
     
    Things happen, more so if you have an antenna 200’ in the air with a conductive cable connected to sensitive electronics. Antenna issues, feedline issues, repeater issues all cost money and I promise at some point you will have issues that need repair and require your money!
     
    It is my opinion that the GMRS community does not need another 2 to 5 miles repeater as it just becomes background noise. What use is a public listed repeater if somebody in a mobile can’t use it 5 miles away while moving or the portable coverage is only a mile? If after reading this you are still going to build a repeater for your garage more power to you, just don’t expect 20 people to show up if it only reaches a mile.
     
    As the owner of several GMRS and Commercial repeaters I can attest to the amount of money and effort go into my repeaters. I have only touched on the basics, if you add in any kind of testing services, duplexer tuning, addition of a combiner channel to an existing tower system, RF engineering, rent and insurance your costs can sky rocket. The best advice I can give any new licensee is to try and use the available systems in the area. Take the time to learn a little about what you’re doing and to assess the usability of the service before investing in a repeater for the sole reason of saying you own one.
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    WRVL973 reacted to ktmdan in Northwest Regional Net?   
    I'd be interested in possibly expanding coverage in South Central Oregon. The Klamath Basin. I have no idea how to go about it. I'm retired but on a limited budget and have time to do something. I might get into ham one day but the study material just doesn't stick with me. 
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    WRVL973 reacted to PACNWComms in Northwest Regional Net?   
    Why I joined, to see if there was anyone else in the area. Definitely looking for more activity in the Pacific Northwest. I know FRS/GMRS is used often in WA/OR/ID, but have experienced more users in Montana. My time in Seattle has shown that the UHF spectrum is saturated, with FRS/GMRS being almost constant. Actually interfered with a lot of commercial UHF testing as a result. Will be checking this thread from time to time.
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    WRVL973 reacted to GGJosh in Northwest Regional Net?   
    Are there plans or people interested in expanding the Net to the Pacific Northwest?

    -Josh
    WROJ763
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    WRVL973 reacted to flashover52 in Lake Oswego, OR (Portland) Weekly Net   
    The LAK17R GMRS repeater (id’s as WRKT697) operates out of Lake Oswego, OR on 462.600 (+5) and a PL Tone of 123.0. It’s an open repeater set up for local emergency communications in the city but available for general or casual use. There is a weekly net on Monday nights at 7:00pm. If you are in the area or passing through, reach out and say hello.
     
    Coverage spans well beyond LO into Wilsonville, Beaverton, Tigard, Tualatin, Milwaukee, Oregon City and up into parts of Camas, Vancouver and Battle Ground, WA.
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    WRVL973 reacted to tweiss3 in GMRS Repeaters - What do they get you?   
    GMRS is largely a "line of site" service. In other words, hills, buildings, and even the curvature of the earth are what cause the real limitations for a radio. Keep in mind, in the amateur radio service, many people can communicate with satellites at only 1-5Watts. What a repeater does is create a vantage point way above normal ground level, which lets you overcome the hills and curve of the earth.
     
    This article very briefly explain how the "line of site" concept works relative to height: https://www.hamuniverse.com/lineofsightcalculator.html
     
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