Ebay banning certian radio equpment sales

[WRUE951]

I just got an email from a vender i have purchased surplus Hytera radio gear from, incluiding repeaters, cables, jumpers etc.  stating that Ebay has banned certain sales of Hytera equpment  etc and that Ebay is enforcing a type of FCC ban that is several years old.   Anyone notcing this and is it effecting other radio brands??   I just did a search on Ebay for Hytera radio equipment and its coming up with very limited items, not the pages pages as before.   No mobile equipment or repeater items are coming up in searches anymore..  Strange.  

 

[WRTC928]

Do you know what the basis is for the FCC ban?

[WRUE951]

8 minutes ago, WRTC928 said:

Do you know what the basis is for the FCC ban?

No, but i am seeing a huge reduction in commercial radio gear on Ebay searches.. Not sure whats going on... 

[OffRoaderX]

PROBABLY uncertified (aka unlocked or 'dual use') type radios.  But that's just an educated guess.

Does the email you received have any other actual details?

[WRQI583]

I cant remember where I saw it, but do a little research. There was something about Hytera equipment only where there was an issue.

[OffRoaderX]

Turns out they are on the naughty/national security risk list.. 
Source: https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist

 

[WRKC935]

Probably more to do with Motorola suing Hytera and winning.  Part of that was no one could sell or resell certain Hytera radios that violated IP laws where Hytera took source code from Motorola and used it in their radios.  The findings were that neither Hytera nor their dealers could repair, modify, program or service in any way those radios.

Moto may have decided to do a smack down on eBay for some reason.

Someone mentioned that the number of commercial radio's in general dropped off.  Was that Motorola stuff, Hytera and Baofeng (same company or at least factory) or just in general?

I can't believe that the FCC after putting out a notice that they what to streamline things and back away from silly regulations that they would have given eBay a directive.  But I don't know that for certain.

 

[MarkInTampa]

Press release on Friday: "Federal judge holds Chinese telecom in contempt over failure to pay royalties to US rival. The partially state-owned company Hytera was ordered to pay royalties to U.S. rival Motorola over trade secrets and copyright violations.". They seem to owe Motorola a boatload of money. Don't know if it has anything to do with it though...

https://www.courthousenews.com/federal-judge-holds-chinese-telecom-in-contempt-over-failure-to-pay-royalties-to-u-s-rival/

 

[WRUE951]

58 minutes ago, OffRoaderX said:

Turns out they are on the naughty/national security risk list.. 
Source: https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlistuff

 

that could be the issue.. Most Hytera stuff can be networked and apparently Ebay is enforcing some FCC ban that is several years old.     Stange though that you see a huge reduction in Ebay adds for most repurposed Commerical radio gear.    

[WRUE951]

51 minutes ago, MarkInTampa said:

Press release on Friday: "Federal judge holds Chinese telecom in contempt over failure to pay royalties to US rival. The partially state-owned company Hytera was ordered to pay royalties to U.S. rival Motorola over trade secrets and copyright violations.". They seem to owe Motorola a boatload of money. Don't know if it has anything to do with it though...

https://www.courthousenews.com/federal-judge-holds-chinese-telecom-in-contempt-over-failure-to-pay-royalties-to-u-s-rival/

 

why woiuld that effect used commercial stuff??  

[WRUE951]

56 minutes ago, WRKC935 said:

Probably more to do with Motorola suing Hytera and winning.  Part of that was no one could sell or resell certain Hytera radios that violated IP laws where Hytera took source code from Motorola and used it in their radios.  The findings were that neither Hytera nor their dealers could repair, modify, program or service in any way those radios.

Moto may have decided to do a smack down on eBay for some reason.

Someone mentioned that the number of commercial radio's in general dropped off.  Was that Motorola stuff, Hytera and Baofeng (same company or at least factory) or just in general?

I can't believe that the FCC after putting out a notice that they what to streamline things and back away from silly regulations that they would have given eBay a directive.  But I don't know that for certain.

 

its apparant that a lot of used radio adds are dropping regardless of manufacture..  Still lots of adds for Baofeng....   

[OffRoaderX]

3 hours ago, WRUE951 said:

why woiuld that effect used commercial stuff??  

It wouldn't.. Your email said it was due to an old FCC rule, which has nothing to do with royalty fees to Motorola.

[WRKC935]

2 hours ago, WRUE951 said:

its apparent that a lot of used radio adds are dropping regardless of manufacture..  Still lots of adds for Baofeng....   

Might be eBay overdoing their restriction of listing items then.  Not like they are known for going overboard on listing restrictions. 

At one point you could buy almost any firearm part available on eBay that didn't have a serial number.  Now you can't find a listing for a childs nerf gun if the word gun is in the listing. 

Moto may have said no more Hytera, and while they were at it claimed the software in any Motorola was non-transferable and they couldn't be sold either. I haven't looked at what you are talking about, but I don't really have a frame of reference to know what it was to compare it to. 

It's hard to say what eBay is doing.  And the Motorola thing may not have anything to do with the lack of Hytera listings on eBay.  But it makes the most sense.