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And that second part only relates to the words after , however, and not to anything before it. ETA- to this point, it is a brand new sentence altogether which further emphasizes a separation of the two sections.

By the way all, I have no dog in the fight except that I like the linked system in my area but purely looking at this like I would any other legal research on a daily basis. I am a simple end user but go through federal regulations on a daily basis.

As mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread, ( I think- I read a lot of posts here and on Facebook while I was loading my radio), that first part you posted is from the FCC synopsis page which is not regulation. It is an FCC admin incorrectly summarizing the regulation. Their summary is not regulation and holds absolutely zero weight. (Sort of like an email from the FCC asking for a list of network users.)

It is meaningful as long as it is defined in the regulations. With laws and regulations, words that have an impact on interpreting a law or regulation shall be defined and for the purposes of this set of regulations, it is defined here (as mentioned above) 47 CFR 9.3 and 20.3: Public Switched Network. Any common carrier switched network, whether by wire or radio, including local exchange carriers, interexchange carriers, and mobile service providers, that uses the North American Numbering Plan in connection with the provision of switched services. This definition directly ties back to 95.1749, as 1749 states that 95.349 is the link that says how telephone connection is to be interpreted, and public switched network is additionally used later in the clause, which reiterates what it is referring to. When questioning what is meant by a clause, the first thing you have to do is ensure your understanding of the terminology is the same used by those that are in the regulation. Definitions are usually at the front of the particular set of laws or regulations you are referring to. You can tell from this definition, even though the word wire is there, it is 100% intending to refer to the phone networks. It only opens up to other networks when it allows you to connect for remote control and it just doesn't care basically how you connect for remote control.

So, while I have seen many threads on this, this is the first time I am posting. Since I have been reviewing the various threads and watched the videos (as I had time while uploading an updated DMR contact list to one of my radios), it seems that everything is focused on the linking but very few people seem to be mentioning the prohibited communications portion as to what the message was that was being sent over this system. This seems like it should be a key point regardless of how one may feel about linking systems. Right or wrong, that type of prohibited communciation as listed in 95.333/ 95.1733 is what drew the unwanted attention of whoever got this network noticed. Also, in regards to linking, it seems many focus their review on a little too late in the clause. The first part is "Operation of a GMRS station with a telephone connection is prohibited, as in 95.349... 95.349 states this would be defined as connected to the public switch network, which is then defined in 47 CFR 20.3. If you are not using a telephone connection for the link, such as Comcast/Xfinity cable internet, this clause does not apply as it does not meet the definition of public switch. So, are people simply not digging into the definitions properly? I have to daily since I write Federal contracts for my day job. Or, do most of the links use the phone network for some reason that I am missing? I just assumed most of these were connected by an internet link where Cable was being used. Obviously, part of that probably revolves around the availability of these services but it just seems in most places I have been, cable tends to be more prevalent than any decent cell connection that I would rely on for a linking service. If you are using a telephone connection, that is the only time the second part of the clause would come into play. Just my thoughts, I know I am still weak on the technicalities of the various connections but I do know how to read the CFR.

Since they are designed as 50W mobile units, they will not carry the FRS only channels 8-14 mostly due to power. There is a lot more detail to this of course as to the channel spacing also which requires them to be narrow band, and these now have the option to go wideband. I am looking forward to the 500 and 575. While there are plenty of haters who push the Motorolas or Kenwoods, that is not needed IMO for the market Midland is targeting. Jeepers and family campers just want something that is end user friendly, packed full of features and ready to work out of the box without having to dig deeply in the software. Personally, I can go both ways when it comes to the radios but the form factor of the 575 and now having 50W and split tones, that is all I need for GMRS. For more than that, I can switch to my ham radios. :)

From reviewing the data sheet and manual here (https://shop.motorolasolutions.com/ca/t800-two-way-radios-dual-pack/product/B8F22204LBHAAW) quickly, these are only FRS radios. They have the fixed antennas and are limited to 2W. The only 467 channels are the interstitials which are allowed only .5W in an FRS radio. They may communicate with the GMRS radios on the shared channels but will not be able to use the repeater inputs for 15-22. It looks like the only tailoring you can do is to set the tones, which they refer to as an Interference Eliminator Code. Hope this helps.

Good afternoon. A little late but I was scanning the forum and thought to add this... While the channels are being standardized or made common, the CTCSS and DCS squelch tones are not necessarily. I came across this reference which will explain multiple times better than me I think. Clipped from: https://www.k0tfu.org/reference/frs (Web view) The title is FRS/GMRS Privacy Codes Demystified I copied the whole page to my OneNote where I have been keeping all of my tidbits from these forums for GMRS and now also on the ham and DMR side. When you get about half way down, it says what tone "sub-channel/privacy code" (not sure there is an agreed/common term here yet) which lays out how different manufacturers have used/not used/ assigned the frequencies to assigned numbers on their radios.

I really like this idea here.