GMRS for LA Riots.

[WRUE951]

On 6/16/2025 at 7:32 AM, Lscott said:

It was also known the NV had captured US man pack radios. These where used to monitor military communications. There were versions with encryption, but were extremely bulky.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NESTOR_(encryption)

a recent intercept of military encrypted codes..   https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/is-washington-preparing-war-u-s-air-force/

[Lscott]

1 hour ago, WRUE951 said:

a recent intercept of military encrypted codes..   https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/is-washington-preparing-war-u-s-air-force/

It might be a secret credit card number to use, billed direct to the government, when ordering out a pizza for deliver.

[LeoG]

Happened a couple days ago. 

[WSHH887]

I tend to be skeptical when folks make assumptions without and evidence at all. 
 

I've made more than a few SWAG's in my day. But they always had some evidence and science behind them. 

[LeoG]

Well that message went out then a bunch of tanker planes shipped out overseas.  Could be coincidence, might be reality.  Strange times right now.

 

I hate this movie.

[WSHH887]

I will grant you that my time in the USAF was fifty years ago. But, it wasn't unusual to put folks on alert and shift assets during times of international upheaval. It's possibly a preplanned response to existing conditions. 

in olden days the USAF had a concept called "Prime Beef" or cannon fodder as we called it. The idea was a group of folks equipped and trained to respond quickly (relatively speaking) to events around the globe. We were supposed to set up what today are called FOP's to rearm, refuel and provide light maintenance of aircraft. In my case it would be tactical assets like Phantoms and Wild Weasels. 
 

I can't count the number of times between ORI's (operational readiness inspections) and actual crises we were alerted. The Cold War tended to warm up from time to time. Mostly without the general public having a clue. 
 

I'm pretty sure those orders were transmitted with the highest encryption of the time. 

[WRUE951]

36 minutes ago, LeoG said:

Well that message went out then a bunch of tanker planes shipped out overseas.  Could be coincidence, might be reality.  Strange times right now.

 

I hate this movie.

with nothing showing up on the current Military Exercise calendar,  and all those transport planes landing at various support centers for the middle east, you kind of have to add 2+2..  Or as my dad used to say  $hit+2=4 and a fart = a whirlwind.  

[LeoG]

Just because it looks like it, doesn't mean it is.  But in this case I think the cat squished the roof.

[WRYZ926]

7 hours ago, WRTC928 said:

I had familiarization training on those, but never actually used one. What I went away with was the feeling that if I ever had to use one in actual combat, I wouldn't remember how. By the late 1970s, they were in some vehicles, but I never saw one in a ground-pounder unit.

We had the SINCGARS radios when I was in. They came out shortly after Desert Storm. We were not allowed to use them in Germany at that time since the constant frequency hopping messed with German civilian communications and broadcast stations.

[Lscott]

On 6/17/2025 at 12:03 PM, WRTC928 said:

I had familiarization training on those, but never actually used one. What I went away with was the feeling that if I ever had to use one in actual combat, I wouldn't remember how. By the late 1970s, they were in some vehicles, but I never saw one in a ground-pounder unit.

I've looked at the spec's for the man-pack radio itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PRC-77_Portable_Transceiver

At 1.5 to 2 watts for the size at the time seems crazy now days. Just think what a modem commercial, not military, grade P25 HT can do , 5 watts and with AES256 encryption. It would fit in a uniform shirt pocket.

I also checked the spec's on the old WWII handie-talkies. I was shocked to see they only did 360 milliwatts! Remember that while watching those old B/W WWII movies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCR-536

[WRYZ926]

10 minutes ago, Lscott said:

I've looked at the spec's for the man-pack radio itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PRC-77_Portable_Transceiver

At 1.5 to 2 watts for the size at the time seems crazy now days. Just think what a modem commercial, not military, grade P25 HT can do , 5 watts and with AES256 encryption. It would fit in a uniform shirt pocket.

I also checked the spec's on the old WWII handie-talkies. I was shocked to see they only did 360 milliwatts! Remember that while watching those old B/W WWII movies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCR-536

I hated when I had to carry the PRC-77. At least I did not have to carry the PRC-77 at the same time carrying the M60 machine gun.

The only SINCGARS radios I dealt with were vehicle mounted. They were heavy enough trying to carry from the shop to the vehicles for installation.

[WRUE951]

52 minutes ago, WRYZ926 said:

I hated when I had to carry the PRC-77. At least I did not have to carry the PRC-77 at the same time carrying the M60 machine gun.

The only SINCGARS radios I dealt with were vehicle mounted. They were heavy enough trying to carry from the shop to the vehicles for installation.

didnt they have several variants of that radio?  Backpack, ammo can, mobile,  etc?  The battery back is what made them heavy as in the ammo can and mobile version they were realitivitly small  

[WRYZ926]

From what I remember there were different sizes of battery boxes that could be used with the PRC-77.  They were heavy (for the size) even with just a single battery attached. And then you had the weight of any spare batteries you carried on your ruck sack.

[WRUE951]

my uncle, now deceased, had the ammo can version in his collection.  It wasn't really an ammo can, it just looked line one.  Yes, it was pretty heavy for its size.  I remember lifting it and think, what the hell is in this thing..    He also had a Military AM portable radio (i can't remember what they called it) with the radio mounted above its power supply..  The power supply was DC or AC depending how it was configured in the field.  That thing was very heavy.  

[ULTRA2]

On 6/15/2025 at 1:40 PM, TrikeRadio said:

But maybe some could store a limited history. anyone know? 

Don't Garman have radios with GPS and will save location of the user in memory?

[SteveShannon]

7 hours ago, ULTRA2 said:

Don't Garman have radios with GPS and will save location of the user in memory?

Yes, the Garmin Rino. I don’t know whether the location is stored in memory unless you activate breadcrumbs or create waypoints, but your instantaneous location is live at any given time. But you can tell it not to share your location. 

[WRUE951]

11 minutes ago, SteveShannon said:

Yes, the Garmin Rino. I don’t know whether the location is stored in memory unless you activate breadcrumbs or create waypoints, but your instantaneous location is live at any given time. But you can tell it not to share your location. 

The RINO (not Republican ) sends your GPS position each time you xtmt to other RINO users and vis versa.   Apple has an App that does the same thing on iphone's, each user has to have it installed and set up in their call directory, it adds a toggle to include people in your direcoty to your locate list.  It does some other cool things like include coordinates on pictures with time stamps and an export tool to upload to Google Maps..  We used it at work a lot for outside plant stuff.   

[SteveShannon]

3 minutes ago, WRUE951 said:

The RINO (not Republican ) sends your GPS position each time you xtmt to other RINO users and vis versa.   Apple has an App that does the same thing on iphone's, each user has to have it installed and set up in their call directory, it adds a toggle to include people in your direcoty to your locate list.  It does some other cool things like include coordinates on pictures with time stamps and an export tool to upload to Google Maps..  We used it at work a lot for outside plant stuff.   

You don’t really need an additional app with Apple. You can simply go to a person in your contacts and choose the last option “Share my location”.

For the Garmin Rino if you transmit to a repeater or if you select the option not to share your location the radio won’t. The first is required in order to comply with regulations. The second is (as I pointed out earlier) simply an option. 

[WSHH887]

Curious. Do any ham radios have gos and save/transmit location data?  

[WRUE951]

1 minute ago, SteveShannon said:

You don’t really need an additional app with Apple. You can simply go to a person in your contacts and choose the last option “Share my location”.

For the Garmin Rino if you transmit to a repeater or if you select the option not to share your location the radio won’t. The first is required in order to comply with regulations. The second is (as I pointed out earlier) simply an option. 

Yea I'm familiar with the Find Me app but i don't think it works with phone calls or off your phone directory. In fact, i just checked my phone directory and i don't see a 'share my location'   however i do on the find me App.  I don't think Find Me provide a bread crump option like the Rino.   I've used the Garmin Rino's but never through a repeater.  The Rino has a bread crumb feature but you have to upload through their map program, i forget what it was called.  I remember it was kind of a pain..  The phone app we used (i think it was Log GPS) was pretty cool, we used it at work for a ton of things, even for logging USA fiber routes. It tied into your camera and you phone log. The app we used was somewhat custom also, It has an option. if you are code savvy, to write some of your own parameters. ...  We had someone that did that for us.     

[WRYZ926]

40 minutes ago, WSHH887 said:

Curious. Do any ham radios have gos and save/transmit location data?  

Yes all APRS radios will send location data when operating in APRS mode.

[SteveShannon]

42 minutes ago, WRUE951 said:

Yea I'm familiar with the Find Me app but i don't think it works with phone calls or off your phone directory. In fact, i just checked my phone directory and i don't see a 'share my location'   however i do on the find me App.  I don't think Find Me provide a bread crump option like the Rino.   I've used the Garmin Rino's but never through a repeater.  The Rino has a bread crumb feature but you have to upload through their map program, i forget what it was called.  I remember it was kind of a pain..  The phone app we used (i think it was Log GPS) was pretty cool, we used it at work for a ton of things, even for logging USA fiber routes. It tied into your camera and you phone log. The app we used was somewhat custom also, It has an option. if you are code savvy, to write some of your own parameters. ...  We had someone that did that for us.     

Once you turn on the ability to use repeaters, the Garmin Rino turns off digital data.
Last choice on the contact ^. Right after “Add to Emergency Contacts”