Ebay banning certian radio equpment sales

[WRUE951]

I just got an email from a vender i have purchased surplus Hytera radio gear from, incluiding repeaters, cables, jumpers etc.  stating that Ebay has banned certain sales of Hytera equpment  etc and that Ebay is enforcing a type of FCC ban that is several years old.   Anyone notcing this and is it effecting other radio brands??   I just did a search on Ebay for Hytera radio equipment and its coming up with very limited items, not the pages pages as before.   No mobile equipment or repeater items are coming up in searches anymore..  Strange.  

 

[WRTC928]

Do you know what the basis is for the FCC ban?

[WRUE951]

8 minutes ago, WRTC928 said:

Do you know what the basis is for the FCC ban?

No, but i am seeing a huge reduction in commercial radio gear on Ebay searches.. Not sure whats going on... 

[OffRoaderX]

PROBABLY uncertified (aka unlocked or 'dual use') type radios.  But that's just an educated guess.

Does the email you received have any other actual details?

[WRQI583]

I cant remember where I saw it, but do a little research. There was something about Hytera equipment only where there was an issue.

[OffRoaderX]

Turns out they are on the naughty/national security risk list.. 
Source: https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist

 

[WRKC935]

Probably more to do with Motorola suing Hytera and winning.  Part of that was no one could sell or resell certain Hytera radios that violated IP laws where Hytera took source code from Motorola and used it in their radios.  The findings were that neither Hytera nor their dealers could repair, modify, program or service in any way those radios.

Moto may have decided to do a smack down on eBay for some reason.

Someone mentioned that the number of commercial radio's in general dropped off.  Was that Motorola stuff, Hytera and Baofeng (same company or at least factory) or just in general?

I can't believe that the FCC after putting out a notice that they what to streamline things and back away from silly regulations that they would have given eBay a directive.  But I don't know that for certain.

 

[MarkInTampa]

Press release on Friday: "Federal judge holds Chinese telecom in contempt over failure to pay royalties to US rival. The partially state-owned company Hytera was ordered to pay royalties to U.S. rival Motorola over trade secrets and copyright violations.". They seem to owe Motorola a boatload of money. Don't know if it has anything to do with it though...

https://www.courthousenews.com/federal-judge-holds-chinese-telecom-in-contempt-over-failure-to-pay-royalties-to-u-s-rival/

 

[WRUE951]

58 minutes ago, OffRoaderX said:

Turns out they are on the naughty/national security risk list.. 
Source: https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlistuff

 

that could be the issue.. Most Hytera stuff can be networked and apparently Ebay is enforcing some FCC ban that is several years old.     Stange though that you see a huge reduction in Ebay adds for most repurposed Commerical radio gear.    

[WRUE951]

51 minutes ago, MarkInTampa said:

Press release on Friday: "Federal judge holds Chinese telecom in contempt over failure to pay royalties to US rival. The partially state-owned company Hytera was ordered to pay royalties to U.S. rival Motorola over trade secrets and copyright violations.". They seem to owe Motorola a boatload of money. Don't know if it has anything to do with it though...

https://www.courthousenews.com/federal-judge-holds-chinese-telecom-in-contempt-over-failure-to-pay-royalties-to-u-s-rival/

 

why woiuld that effect used commercial stuff??  

[WRUE951]

56 minutes ago, WRKC935 said:

Probably more to do with Motorola suing Hytera and winning.  Part of that was no one could sell or resell certain Hytera radios that violated IP laws where Hytera took source code from Motorola and used it in their radios.  The findings were that neither Hytera nor their dealers could repair, modify, program or service in any way those radios.

Moto may have decided to do a smack down on eBay for some reason.

Someone mentioned that the number of commercial radio's in general dropped off.  Was that Motorola stuff, Hytera and Baofeng (same company or at least factory) or just in general?

I can't believe that the FCC after putting out a notice that they what to streamline things and back away from silly regulations that they would have given eBay a directive.  But I don't know that for certain.

 

its apparant that a lot of used radio adds are dropping regardless of manufacture..  Still lots of adds for Baofeng....   

[OffRoaderX]

3 hours ago, WRUE951 said:

why woiuld that effect used commercial stuff??  

It wouldn't.. Your email said it was due to an old FCC rule, which has nothing to do with royalty fees to Motorola.

[WRKC935]

2 hours ago, WRUE951 said:

its apparent that a lot of used radio adds are dropping regardless of manufacture..  Still lots of adds for Baofeng....   

Might be eBay overdoing their restriction of listing items then.  Not like they are known for going overboard on listing restrictions. 

At one point you could buy almost any firearm part available on eBay that didn't have a serial number.  Now you can't find a listing for a childs nerf gun if the word gun is in the listing. 

Moto may have said no more Hytera, and while they were at it claimed the software in any Motorola was non-transferable and they couldn't be sold either. I haven't looked at what you are talking about, but I don't really have a frame of reference to know what it was to compare it to. 

It's hard to say what eBay is doing.  And the Motorola thing may not have anything to do with the lack of Hytera listings on eBay.  But it makes the most sense. 

 

[SteveShannon]

9 hours ago, WRKC935 said:

At one point you could buy almost any firearm part available on eBay that didn't have a serial number.  Now you can't find a listing for a childs nerf gun if the word gun is in the listing. 

I still get plenty of gun parts.  Maybe you have a setting set somewhere that filters them out.

 

 

[MarkInTampa]

There are still lots of Hytera radio's on eBay, search for HYT instead. Ebay search results for "Hytera radio" showed 304 results but for "HYT radio" shows 4,700+. 

[WRYZ926]

The search terms you use can make difference. I've been looking at Dell and HP workstations with dual CPUs and I get different listing depending on what I type into the search bar. Same thing with GMRS Repeaters.

[WRTC928]

14 hours ago, OffRoaderX said:

Turns out they are on the naughty/national security risk list.. 
Source: https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist

 

That would do it. It doesn't say anything about recreational use, but they probably don't sell enough for that purpose to be worth shipping them.

[WRUE951]

8 hours ago, SteveShannon said:

I still get plenty of gun parts.  Maybe you have a setting set somewhere that filters them out.

 

 

you live in Montqna

[WRUE951]

2 hours ago, MarkInTampa said:

There are still lots of Hytera radio's on eBay, search for HYT instead. Ebay search results for "Hytera radio" showed 304 results but for "HYT radio" shows 4,700+. 

big difference between HYT and Hytera.  Yes HYT is manufactured by Hytera but as a different enity. HYT radios and software are down low in quality and options.   HYT is basically another Baoefeng..  Hytera produces commercial stuff competing with Motoroloa and are actually good radios.. And yes, Hytera, like most Chinese companies, have stolen technologies, most notably from Motorola to win some dominance in the U.S.   Lots of school districts and low budget cities and counties used Hytera Radios until Motorola sued them for stealing their technologies.   However, that doesn't stop me from latching onto their repeeaters, which are pretty damn nice.  

[WRUE951]

16 hours ago, OffRoaderX said:

Turns out they are on the naughty/national security risk list.. 
Source: https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist

 

Randy, Looks like you are 100% correct.  The seller sent me the same page Ebay sent him notifying him of their denialing of allowiing him to sell Hytera stuff.    

 

Kirk,

 

The link below is what eBay sends.  Evidently eBay searches for key words RD-982, or Repeater.

 

The word Hytera itself does not trigger the response below.

 

Notice this dates back some time.

 

https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist

[SteveShannon]

1 hour ago, WRUE951 said:

you live in Montqna

Interesting. I guess it’s possible that because you live somewhere else that your eBay results are censored.  Is that your state government or eBay’s doing?

[WRUE951]

20 minutes ago, SteveShannon said:

Interesting. I guess it’s possible that because you live somewhere else that your eBay results are censored.  Is that your state government or eBay’s doing?

I live in Califailure..    Ebay does have capability to  censor adds based on states and their laws.   

[HamsterDancer]

You can go on eBay right now and find serialized firearm receivers, suppressors, and any number of highly illegal things... They do not care at all. Call me cynical but somehow I can't see them cracking down on radios in any meaningful way. If the ATF can't get them to enforce the law what chance does the FCC have.

[WRUE951]

14 minutes ago, HamsterDancer said:

You can go on eBay right now and find serialized firearm receivers, suppressors, and any number of highly illegal things... They do not care at all. Call me cynical but somehow I can't see them cracking down on radios in any meaningful way. If the ATF can't get them to enforce the law what chance does the FCC have.

I've done pretty good flipping certain Hytera Radio Equip..  Mostly Hytera Repeaters.    I do weekly search's on the stuff and have noticed a huge decline in Hytera equip adds over the last month.  Then yesterday i got an email from an ebay seller i've worked with telling me Ebay is restricting Hytera related adds.    Not only do i see a decline in Hytera stuff but other manufactures i.e. Motorola, Kenwood etc..  Apparently Hytera is on the Homeland Security radar over networking issues..