Question about iCom ID-5100A and Repeater Tones

[cmranch]

I'm trying to set up my ID-5100A to access a couple of local GMRS repeaters that have different Tx and Rx DPL tones. The radio has had the MARS mod. The radio firmware has been updated to the latest version, E3, and all is working well in that regard. I'm using the RT Systems software along with their cable to program the radio. Everything seems to be working except for the repeaters that require the different DTCSS codes in and out. I've tried the iCom manual and have looked at the RT Systems help videos. It appears this radio is not capable of doing both? At least using the RT Systems software, it will not allow me to enter both tones. If anyone has any suggestions or found a solution to this, I'd really appreciate hearing what that is. I'm pretty much a newbie at programming a radio, so I may well have missed something. Any thoughts?

[WRUU653]

I can’t speak specifically to the 5100 but I have the Icom IC-2730a and can do spit tones using chirp. It may be worth a shot with the ID-5100 or as mentioned by @SteveShannon and @MarkInTampa leave the receive tone off. Good luck. 

[SteveShannon]

19 minutes ago, cmranch said:

I'm trying to set up my ID-5100A to access a couple of local GMRS repeaters that have different Tx and Rx DPL tones. The radio has had the MARS mod. The radio firmware has been updated to the latest version, E3, and all is working well in that regard. I'm using the RT Systems software along with their cable to program the radio. Everything seems to be working except for the repeaters that require the different DTCSS codes in and out. I've tried the iCom manual and have looked at the RT Systems help videos. It appears this radio is not capable of doing both? At least using the RT Systems software, it will not allow me to enter both tones. If anyone has any suggestions or found a solution to this, I'd really appreciate hearing what that is. I'm pretty much a newbie at programming a radio, so I may well have missed something. Any thoughts?

Just leave the receive tone out, or set the squelch mode to tone or whatever it requires to disregard the repeater output tone. 

[Hoppyjr]

My experience with Icom, and the RT Systems software was pretty simple, I just clicked the mouse in the field. I wanted to edit and it allowed me to edit there. Not sure why you’re having trouble, consider giving RT systems a call. They have great tech support.

[cmranch]

SteveShannon, that's what I've been trying to do in the Tone Mode column of the RT Systems software, but still not able to get things to work. I've selected DTCS(T), which I think does what you are describing. It looks like I have good signal going out and am getting a response from the repeater, just can't seem to raise anyone. I am able to Tx and Rx on other repeaters. I'm going to pack this radio up and get to a high point where I know I can hit the repeater with a handset.

Hoppyjr, RT Systems does I have great tech support! They got back to me quickly and suggested I speak directly to iCom support. 

[SteveShannon]

28 minutes ago, cmranch said:

It looks like I have good signal going out and am getting a response from the repeater, just can't seem to raise anyone.

That doesn’t seem like a tone problem. If you are getting a response that means both transmit and receive are working. Maybe there’s nobody else listening who wants to talk. What are you saying?

[cmranch]

Not quite sure where that last comment came from. 

I was trying to determine if I was on the right track or not, and hoping someone that had experience with a 5100 could help point me in the right direction. As I said, I'm new to this and tried to do my research before posting here. To determine if I was actually getting out, I was going to take the radio off the bench and go to a high point to be sure what I was actually hearing was in fact the repeater, and to see if I could get a response to confirm my settings. I live in a valley, so reception here is sketchy at best. Thanks for the help guys, and have a good one. 

[Hoppyjr]

Not quite sure where that last comment came from. 
I was trying to determine if I was on the right track or not, and hoping someone that had experience with a 5100 could help point me in the right direction. As I said, I'm new to this and tried to do my research before posting here. To determine if I was actually getting out, I was going to take the radio off the bench and go to a high point to be sure what I was actually hearing was in fact the repeater, and to see if I could get a response to confirm my settings. I live in a valley, so reception here is sketchy at best. Thanks for the help guys, and have a good one. 

Did the software allow you to put tones in both rx/rx fields? Then you saved the file and pushed it back into the radio? If so, you may just need to keep trying until someone answers. You can double check and edit the tones in the radio menu. I can’t explain it here, but a review of the Icom manual online will guide you.

If that tone field is not able of be edited then RT should be able to help.

The comment was a half-assed attempt at social commentary about our current national nonsense. Wasn’t directed at you.

[Jaay]

8 hours ago, cmranch said:

I'm trying to set up my ID-5100A to access a couple of local GMRS repeaters that have different Tx and Rx DPL tones. The radio has had the MARS mod. The radio firmware has been updated to the latest version, E3, and all is working well in that regard. I'm using the RT Systems software along with their cable to program the radio. Everything seems to be working except for the repeaters that require the different DTCSS codes in and out. I've tried the iCom manual and have looked at the RT Systems help videos. It appears this radio is not capable of doing both? At least using the RT Systems software, it will not allow me to enter both tones. If anyone has any suggestions or found a solution to this, I'd really appreciate hearing what that is. I'm pretty much a newbie at programming a radio, so I may well have missed something. Any thoughts?

Your 5100A is Primarily a diual band  ham rig, NOT designed or Type certified as a GMRS ham radio.  That's all i got.

[SteveShannon]

5 hours ago, Hoppyjr said:

Hopefully he’s not calling everyone a nazi, as seems to be fashionable lately.

How about we steer very clear of politics?  

[MarkInTampa]

In looking through my ID-5100 options (as well as the Icom software) I don't think split DTCS tones are supported. The dang radio supports almost all other combos like DTCS/Nomal tone as well as split Tone/Tone Squelch like what you want to do with DTCS (in the menu as "Tone(T)/TSQL(R)") but no option for DTCS to do the same thing. I don't see a way to do it in the Icom software either. Just leave DTCS/Tone off on receive and you should be fine.

I suppose if you really want to test it with both transmit and receive DTCS, you could setup the radio with the repeater setup in two memory channels. One for TX with the TX DTCS tone, the other for RX configured with the RX DTCS tone. Load up one channel in one VFO and the other on the 2nd VFO. Unless you are getting traffic other than the repeater bugging you, RX DTCS isn't needed but at least you can test it both directions.

FYI: Here's a snip of the tone settings in the Icom software. Notice there is a option (and column) to split repeater tones but not DTCS (doesn't even have a column to show the possibility).

 

And the tone options:
 

[WRYZ926]

1 hour ago, MarkInTampa said:

In looking through my ID-5100 options (as well as the Icom software) I don't think split DTCS tones are supported.

I've looked in the ID-5100 basic and full manual and didn't see anything mentioned about split DTCS tones. Maybe there was a change in a firmware update. Sometimes Icon will release a short amended/add on manual just for new changes. But I have not found one for the ID-5100.

I know there is an extra EXMENU manual for the IC-2730 that covers things not found in the basic or full manuals.

My brother runs a MARS modded ID-5100 but none of the repeaters in our area use DTCS tones. 

[cmranch]

5 hours ago, MarkInTampa said:

In looking through my ID-5100 options (as well as the Icom software) I don't think split DTCS tones are supported. The dang radio supports almost all other combos like DTCS/Nomal tone as well as split Tone/Tone Squelch like what you want to do with DTCS (in the menu as "Tone(T)/TSQL(R)") but no option for DTCS to do the same thing. I don't see a way to do it in the Icom software either. Just leave DTCS/Tone off on receive and you should be fine.

I suppose if you really want to test it with both transmit and receive DTCS, you could setup the radio with the repeater setup in two memory channels. One for TX with the TX DTCS tone, the other for RX configured with the RX DTCS tone. Load up one channel in one VFO and the other on the 2nd VFO. Unless you are getting traffic other than the repeater bugging you, RX DTCS isn't needed but at least you can test it both directions.

FYI: Here's a snip of the tone settings in the Icom software. Notice there is a option (and column) to split repeater tones but not DTCS (doesn't even have a column to show the possibility).

 

And the tone options:
 

Ok, thank you! This was was where I think I ended up, leaving the DTCS/Tone off on receive. I'll try to confirm I'm good later today. It's been suggested to me to just get a different radio, but I liked the idea of having the dual band, GPS, etc. as a mobile unit. Thanks again, everyone, for the help.

[Jaay]

21 hours ago, Socalgmrs said:

ummm 

Good comment ...

[WRYZ926]

4 minutes ago, Jaay said:

Good comment ...

Yeah Negative Nancy is being real helpful again isn't he. 

[Hoppyjr]

That doesn’t seem like a tone problem. If you are getting a response that means both transmit and receive are working. Maybe there’s nobody else listening who wants to talk. What are you saying?

Hopefully he’s not calling everyone a nazi, as seems to be fashionable lately.

[Socalgmrs]

ummm