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I know that, but as you say, it's good to put it out for people to see. It would be extremely bad form to add a repeater you don't own.

Then it seems like you already had the official answer to this question. The FCC does not require a person to seek permission before using a repeater.

I personally filed a complaint a few years ago. They told me it wasn't a rule violation unless the person was transmitting in such a way that they were causing harmful interference. No such harmful interference was occurring, so the FCC opted not to take any action. They told me that it was up to me to resolve any access control issues. That's the very reason why the two repeaters located at my house are always off unless I plan on using them specifically. I got tired of a troublemaker causing problems for me.

This section confirms my opinion, putting the responsibility of stopping undesired access on the owner. It doesn't say other licensees need permission.

Welcome to the forum! None of us have ever necroed an old thread!

Has anyone complained to the FCC about prohibited persons using their repeater? If we don’t know of any such complaints then we don’t know if FCC would enforce the rule. Someone has to complain before the FCC will respond and their first response is required to be a letter usually. But I agree that the FCC has not enforced the rule.

I had 0 problems with programming my DM-1701 for the brief time I owned it. Link for me the CPS that you are using. How did you find it? Was it included in the box; I suspect not. What computer do you use? Which flavor of Windows? If you get this frustrated with programming, working with DMR programming will not get better. With all due respect, you need to take a few deep breathes, relax and give it more than 2 hours for help to arrive!

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Well, the radio is going back to Amazon. I'm not going to try to fight with it to get it to work with the CPS. I've tried a couple different cables, installed drivers, did everything I could think of including trying other CPS programs but it just won't read. If I can't read it I can't program it. I'm going to go with my first choice, the RT-4D and see if that'll work. If it doesn't then it'll go back too.

The fact that the FCC has not enforced it in the last 15 years says otherwise.

(1) Shall determine specifically which individuals, including family members, are allowed to operate (i.e., exercise operational control over) its GMRS station(s) (see paragraph (c) of this section); 3) May disallow the use of its GMRS repeater by specific persons as may be necessary to carry out its responsibilities under this section. Kind of seems like they are. That’s my take on it for whatever good it may do.

Ok, so the CPS isn't reading the radio. I tried my chipped cable(which I'm told isn't going to work with a digital radio) and the factory supplied cable. I installed the drivers for the standard USB programming cable but the odd thing is that the CPS doesn't give me the option of a COM Port to pick from. Normally I use COM5 but there's no picking the COM port so I just get an error message and can't connect to the radio. The cable IS pushed in all the way and short of unplugging everything usb from my computer I have no clue as to what to do. Any ideas?

Being a newbie, I apologize. I'm here to learn and my comments were out of place. Hopefully i can continue to visit this forum and learn.

Well, travel the 3300 miles and bring it on

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Being a newbie, I apologize. I'm here to learn and my comments were out of place.

Maybe I might come and hunt you down because I'm a crazy MFer Is that the chance you want to take? The airwaves are free to listen to. In most cases they are not free to transmit on legally. Using someone else's property without permission isn't right. Like borrowing someone's car without permission. You are using their hardware. If I recall all you have to do is address the problem of someone abusing your repeater and then after that it's not really your issue with the FCC. At best you can shut it down but that's usually reserved for a malfunction, not a crazy person trespassing on your hardware. There is literally nothing you can do to prevent them from using your equipment other than my opening statement. Switching frequencies and/or tones will only delay someone hell bent on using it.

I Don't Need Permission to Use Your Repeater - Change My Mind This isn't an attack on anyone... just meant to stimulate conversation. I am 100% open to hearing dissenting opinions. Lets chat. So, this happened to a friend of mine recently. He used a repeater that the owner did not expressly say he was approved to use. The repeater owner/manager sought him out off the air, told him that he isn't authorized and to not use it again. Here are some facts, that are not open for debate... In some states, a person is not criminally trespassing on realty unless a person has been notified by the realty owner either verbally, with signs, etc., followed by a complaint filed with the courts, a judge agrees with the realty owner and issues a court order for that person to stay off the property, AND THEN that person returns to the property. There is no other private trespass beyond unauthorized access to private real property. Also, the FCC has already published an opinion that they will not modify the rules requiring operators to gain permission to use another licensee's repeater. Literally every license holder has equal right to use every frequency, every tone, every code, etc. If your repeater receives my signal and re-transmits my signal, that is not my problem. As the repeater owner and licensee, by FCC rule, YOU are responsible for what is transmitted by your radio. It is up to you to manage things accordingly, including intentional or unintentional transmitting of another radio's signal. Here is the opinion... if I need a judge to agree with me that someone shouldn't be on my property and issue a court order to keep them out of my house, and the FCC said they aren't requiring permission, why should I ask for permission to use a repeater? Maybe as a courtesy? Why else? I mean, as a repeater owner, part of me thinks it would be nice to be able to have some teeth behind efforts to stop a troublemaker from using my repeater. Another part of me thinks, I sure as heck don't want to try to track and manage potentially hundreds or even thousands of operators on my repeater. I am way too busy for that. Not to mention I am not spending thousands and thousands of dollars to have the systems sit there and not be used. That would be such as waste. If the FCC says I don't need permission and it's up to the owner to use technology to manage access, and state laws have set precedent on what trespass is through State Code and Tort Law (which is limited to real property), then I don't need permission to use your repeater... change my mind!

If you do that there’s a very good chance that your radio chassis will be at a different potential than your power supply chassis. Code requires the two grounds to be bonded.

I can open the Blue Mountain repeater from my home in VA thats roughly 62 miles away using a 5 watt Baofeng UV-5RTP with the OEM rubber ducky antenna. This is from inside my home. The height/quality of the repeater seems more important than whatever hardware I'm running.

Dept. of Public Safety(aka Highway Patrol)still uses FM Narrow band. I have 4 channels locally I can listen to, East, West, South, and Central. EMS and Rural Metro Fire are also NFM. Not everyone has gone P25. I got my radio today so, let the fun begin.

DES256, AES256/128, RC4? Do you need to use a special “key loader” for the keys?

I haven’t noticed much of a change in Kenwood equipment availability. If nothing else I think used radio prices have dropped a bit. There a a lot of analog radios available. About Hytera radios, I’m on the lookout for a PT850 in the 405-475 band split. This is a digital radio for TETRA. https://hytera-europe.com/media/Hytera_PT580P_EN_004T_110117_v3-min.pdf Yeah, it sort of looks like an Anytone D878 with a hard-on. Oh well, many of their other HT’s have the same antenna placement. Designer I’ll bet got a bone-ous for the idea. I’ve seen a few for other band spilts. The radios are usually from the EU or China. TETRA is basically not used in North America. With the tariff on most imports it makes these expensive, or just unobtainable.

It is the responsibility of the repeater-owner to keep their repeater info up to date.. That said, many forget or die and their repeater entries never get updated again. When viewing the repeater list(s) you can omit "stale" entries so the old/never been touched ones dont show.

Does anyone check to see if the repeaters are actually operating? I've seen some listed yet they have never been online.