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Thanks, I have gotten the cables and the software for the radios, and have had some success programming them. I have 2 CP200's and one CP200d. The CP200d is fully programmed, with no issues. I had to use CPS 2.0, and get a wideband entitlement, no problems there. The CP200's are programmed, and are functioning, but only on narrowband. When I try to change the bandwidth to 20kHz, I have problems. First it tells me that I need to get the 20/25kHz entitlement key. I have one, and it worked for the CP200d, so I go to the 'register application features' option, and put in the key. Then it tells me that it can't reach the license server. I'm not sure what the issue is. This is using CPS_NA_R05.18. The computer can connect to the internet with no issues. Any ideas on what I need to do to get the wideband entitlement validated? EDIT: AAANNNDDD.... Got it! I finally found a copy of CPS_NA_R05.16 and was able to program these with wideband. Yay!

In this day in age I can't imagine a radio that can only be programmed by an outside source. Being able to input tones and such through the radio directly is a must in my book.

And the switch network use to mean mechanical telephone service. Then it meant electronic telephone service, now it can mean both of those and internet. I'm pretty sure they could reclassify it because that's what they do.

I liked the Midland 575 just fine, but wanted the ability to enter frequencies & codes more directly. Another wish was user configurable channels, so I could store all my frequently used repeaters. A louder speaker, preferably on the mic, was my last want. If I followed Randy’s video, it sounds like this new BTech is loud, so that’s good. The ability to enter frequencies & tones from an app, then do a back up of the date, is also a plus. It appears to have the channel capacity. I don’t need another radio, but will likely try this new one.

Maybe, but I think that a good lawyer could argue against that. FCC does define “Network Connection”: Network connection. Connection of a Personal Radio Services station to the public switched network, so that operators of other stations in that service are able to make (and optionally to receive) telephone calls through the connected station.

That's oaky too since I have my amateur and GMRS licenses.

CB doesn't require a license. Ham and GMRS do. A savvy cop might ask for your license. Probably not legal for them to ask, but who's going to stop them.

As soon as you connect two radio links together it can be considered a network.

They write them this way so they can be "interpreted". That way it can mean different things at different times. Which is exactly what it shouldn't be. And since these rules are for normal people, normal people should be able to read them and understand them without the need of lawyers and oiija boards.

Either that or just tell them it's amateur radio, most won't know the difference anyway.

You sound like a sad ham.

So when you get pulled over tell them it's a CB and show them you are on ch22 or something.

It is the same with most of the members of my local club.

Looks like it is registered here. Members Only. No tones listed

Wow. A hidden gem. It’s not every day you find some rando repeater that isn’t listed in this, king of all listings, repeater site. Oh wait yes yes I use repeaters each and every day that are not listed on This site.

Makes sense. Again not a theory I'd like to test. But the temptation for the "better newer" is tough to overcome. Look at the gadgets for cars and firearms the don't really do much but look cool.

In GMRS mode it's baked in. If you go into any of the programming softwares supported by the H3 you just put 462.xxxxMHz it the RX and 467.xxxxMHz in the TX. Or use the preprogrammed and add your tones. You can program up to ch55 with channels that transmit. ch56 and up are receive only for whatever the god zenu decided.

not hidden,, was it just not registered on this volunteer site?

Not exactly hard to decode a repeaters tones whether they be analog or digital. 10-15 minutes running through the codes until the kerchunk is found. This one was easy because it was only one tone above my own. That's been changed. The "hidden" repeater is largely unused as far as I can tell. I've never heard activity on it.

This radio is a GMRS model and has 22 GMRS channels and 8 RPT channels. I have the frequencies/tones for nearby repeaters but not sure whether I need to put in the offset/direction. The manual says nothing about it being ‘baked in’. Would it hurt if it were manually input? Would it add another 5.000 to it?

Only thing I can say is it wasn't well hidden if it was that easy to find.

Don't worry about it. But you really should do a search on a topic or question before making a post. People do come up with new questions every day. But, there are also some things that have indeed been beat to death.

Good thing we agree or this thread would get hijacked.

No debate.... 45 all the way. In a 1911. Accept no substitute

You can do a not for profit and not be a registered 50x. The 'trick' is that anything you take in you keep record of. You put those funds in a specific account that's only for repeater maintenance and you don't pull / spend that money for anything outside of that. If you do that, and it gets questioned. You have records of the incoming and outgoing money and it's a mute point. If you are just dropping the money in your personal account or similar and spending money out of that account then you REALLY need to be careful about tracking what's coming in and what's going out. And if you aren't doing any of that, then if it's looked at, they will consider it for profit. But the first thing that would have to happen is someone get mad and file a complaint on you / the repeater owner. Now this does happen when someone gets told to get off a private / pay to play repeater. The user gets his feelings hurt and calls the FCC to inform on the repeater owner. Now, is that gonna bring the FCC to their door. Who knows. At this point, the FCC has said that they will ONLY respond to INTERFERENCE related complaints. Of course, this ain't that. So again, who knows. But is it legal to 'charge' for access to a repeater? And the answer is, it depends on what you are charging for. IF it's 'CLUB DUES' then yes 100%. If it's actual access and there is no club, then all the stuff above applies, records and such. And to have a 50x you about need a club or organization to have that tax status. Personally I just don't bother with fee's or due's because it's a pain in the ass. Trying to NOT piss off people while running a wide area coverage repeater is not worth my time. If someone hands me some money to support the repeater, I put it towards the electric bill, or tools, or other stuff for the repeater. And honestly, I have has the repeater on since 2021 or so, and the grant total of donated money has been 90 bucks. So again, not worth the hassle.