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Okay, found this definition on the ARRL website: Actually, after everything I have read in the ARRL 10M Contest Rules pdf and learned reading other ARRL website stuff, I probably should not have responded to his CQ. I was not in the contest and so would not have submitted a log to ARRL, which they would have compared to his log. So he would have lost the QSO. So this rookie has learned a lot today. Thanks for all the input and help!!!

I think some of us do know the relevant regs (ham and gmrs for me) and understand them fully to the point the wording is clear. We obviously can't know what isn't there. But that is not due to not reading or not understanding the language. Courts interpret any ambiguity in contracts against the author. Applying the same logic to regs, it's the agency responsible that has to make the regs clear, not for us to use a crystal ball. Socal may come across abrasive to sensitive folks, but he is right that not enough newbies bother to learn before bugging eveeryone one else with questions that would be answered just by studying the rules. And RTFM (reading the fine manual) for their radios.

Welcome from another newcomer! From what I've read/watched, you'll probably be really happy with those TD-H3s.

Which is exactly the how the comm went. I think perhaps (after scanning the ARRL pdf page 3 item number 4.3) looks like a "foreign" DX station is sending some kind of serial number. Perhaps he thought I was in the same boat as he. But we did exchange callsigns, I sent him a 57 and "Delaware USA" as I normally do with a DX station.

That’s how I read it also.

So if I have this correct Steve, OP would have responded with “call sign” then 59 and DE.

Here it is, from ARRL: Good morning, The serial number is a sequential number, starting with 1 for your first contact, 2 for your second contact, and so on. In the case of the 10 Meter contest, stations located in the US, Canada, and Mexico send their state or province abbreviation, not a serial number. In the ARRL International DX contest, as a US station, you'd be sending a signal report and your state abbreviation. It's customary to just give a 59 (or 599 if CW) as a signal report and then your state. The DX stations will send a signal report and their serial number, when then goes in your log for cross checking (we check to see if you receive the number they sent you correctly by comparing the logs.) I can add that term to the glossary which is located at the end of the contest rules PDF files on the ARRL website. 73, Paul Bourque, N1SFE Contest Program Manager

Check youdtube as well, there are tons of radio specific videos out there.

Yes. I think @WSEZ864 probably nailed it but it should still be defined somewhere easy to find.

Thanks Steve. I will download the pdf and read through it. Good idea to get a definition for serial numbers added, for us newbies.

Welcome and happy GMRS ing.. Family, friends, enemies.. whatever, just have fun and enjoy..

Welcome to the forums! I hope you enjoy it.

Thank you. Good info.

Correctly? You can use it to talk to anyone who will listen & respond.

Welcome. Gmrs really is ment for friends and family/people you already know to use while doing an activity. So do you know people that you do things with such as hike bike off road parks hunting ect…….. if using Gmrs correctly you will never be a voice in the dark.

Welcome To the forum @MarkTheNewf

First post and relative radio noob. Have a couple of rarely used MURS HT and a Meshtastic solar node on a 30 ft tower so I fgured what the heck: GMRS. Got my license and have a couple of TD-H3 radios en route via the almighty Amazon. My searches only show *maybe* one repeater in range, so I might be a lone voice in the dark out here! Anyways, good day from out past the Brazos River!

Personally, i don't care what language is used.. A lot of people do for whatever reason but i find this is why the ch knob was invented.

Hopefully people won’t get too wrapped up in recreational use of radio, but with the official language decree I could see court orders going out against any business who discriminates against someone who is using English.

about two years ago i was making a trip to Bass Pro with some friends i was visiting in Glendora. My brother was meeting us there, we was coming in from opposite direction. We were using a 'local' repeater to communicate then jumped over to Ch 7 when we got close enough. When we started talking, no one was on their air, we soon got jumped on by two spanish speaking individuals. Two of the guys with me from Glendora speak Spanish fluently. They were relaying what the two spanish guys were calling us gringos.. quite comical once the two spanish guys got hold of the mic. I think the guy with the local repeater even made a few comments.

Seriously? The 1000s of pages of regulations that are "interpreted" to mean one thing during this case and another during the next? You read them and understand them as best you can and then you might get corrected because of your wrongful interpretation. No one, not even the smartest guy at the eff sea sea knows all the rules and regulations pertaining to even a single class of radio and understands them to the fullest exception of the interpretation of the different people who will eventually rule on them on an individual case basis.

I like the 'Bullseye' mark.

I think the FCC uses the term 'grand fathered' because they know at some point, the old fart is going to die and sometimes the FCC can't wait for that to happen. Back in the day we had a 12GHz Microwave link. The FCC soon claimed the band for other uses and gave us a 'Grand Father' clause to keep operating. That didn't last but two years when they sent us a letter giving us 90 days to cease operation. Thank god we were well into building a fiber backbone to replace that old unreliable Microwave. It's my understanding that band is now used for government purposes.

This is especially true if the license that the OP seeks to renew is one of the grandfathered licenses. FCC has made it very clear that those licenses, which carry with them privileges that newer licensees may not exercise, must be kept up. Once expired they will not be renewed.