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I think that explains why there are no current radios that are both 90 and 95E certified.

Please post a reference to the section of Part 90 that forbids that. Once you do, you might want to let Alinco and HRO know that they cannot sell this radio any more: https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-013120 That's one of many, of course.

@WRVE426 Glad you are all set with you Linux box. Don't have a good explanation for why the driver didn't load for you on Windows. You *are* running Windows 10 or 11, right? And using the red Wouxun cable? Works fine for me on both Windows 10 and 11, I plug it in and the driver loads. One other thing to try is to delete the device (with the cable plugged in) and see if it loads the correct driver. (You might have to do "check for hardware changes" from the Device Manager menu.) If you are running Windows 7, then you DO need to download the driver from the Wouxun cable page. That way you don't need the driver CD.

Windows 10, right? Unplug the cable from the PC. Open Device Manager (under Control Panel) and expand "Ports (COM and LPT)". Plug cable into the PC. If it's working OK, a new COM port should appear.

$2 ? ? The Wouxun cable uses a Silicon Labs serial-to-USB chip, the other uses a FTDI chip. They should both work just fine with Windows 10 and 11. Either one would be a better alternative to one of the cheap "Baofeng" cables, many of which use conterfeit Prolific chips that won't work with the modern Prolific driver (by design).

Did you get the Wouxun programming cable? If so, throw away the CD since it doesn't have a Windows 10 driver on it. https://www.buytwowayradios.com/wouxun-pco-001.html NOTE: Windows 10 should automatically detect and install the cable driver when it is first plugged into the PC. For older versions of Microsoft Windows, the cable driver can be downloaded from the Downloads tab above. The programming software and manual are available on the "Downloads" tab for the radio. https://www.buytwowayradios.com/wouxun-kg-935g.html

As @Lscott said, they learned the lesson of mixing licensed and unlicensed in one radio and don't want to make the same mistake again. Even more importantly, it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks should be OK; what matters is what the FCC has determined and published. There are plenty of radios out there that will do MURS and GMRS (and 2m and 70cm ham) but they aren't type-accepted for either GMRS or MURS. ?

Read my latest post. MURS is not allowed to be combined with any other part except 15. As @Sshannon stated, *GMRS* can be combined with other radio types that require type-acceptance (such as Part 80). MURS cannot. Says so right in 95J.

Actually, it IS accurate. ? You are correct, the wording in Part 95e calls out amateur radio specifically. But, 95j says: § 95.2761 MURS transmitter certification. (a) Each MURS transmitter (a transmitter that operates or is intended to operate in MURS) must be certified in accordance with this subpart and part 2 of this chapter. (b) A grant of equipment certification will not be issued for any MURS transmitter type that fails to comply with all of the applicable rules in this subpart. (c) A grant of equipment certification will not be issued for MURS transmitters capable of operating under both this subpart (MURS) and under any other subparts of this chapter (except part 15). In other words, you cannot have a radio that is certified for MURS and GMRS. "This chapter" refers to Title 47 Chapter 1, which includes not only Parts 95, 97, and 90 but also part 15.

You cannot combine GMRS or MURS with any other service and have the radio be type-accepted. Good or bad as they might be otherwise, Wouxun seem to care about selling radios that are type-accepted under part 95E or 95J. As far as split-tones, I'm sure the KG1000M shares most of it's firmware with the KG1000G, which is probably why. In theory you could use split tones for simplex communication as long as there are only two radios in use. Things would get confusing if there were three or more radios involved. You *could* set things up with a base using one transmit tone and HTs with a second and the reverse for receive, then all the HTs could hear the base, and the base could hear all of the HTs, but the HTs could not hear each other.

Gee, which major commercial radio vendor does THAT make me think of?

It came with a manual? Didn't notice. That's what the Internet is for.

No need to cozy up to a dealer. The cable is a standard USB mini, and the software is downloadable from Remtronix (the US distributor). RT Systems also sells programming software for the MD500/MD520. (The DR-MD520T adds 220 but at lower power.) Pretty sure both packages will allow you to change the mode.

TYT TH-9800D. Quad band (10m/6m/2m/70cm) but can also be unlocked to full VHF and UHF ranges. 50W VHF and 40W UHF. I've never met one in person, but they are about half the cost of the two DMR radios. Is it a *great* radio? Probably not. But it meets the requirement.

They are both DMR. As with other Alinco and Anytone radios, they are "cousins" if not "siblings". If you download the programming software for both they are almost identical, except for the font used! As to your question, let's just say that I know someone who has them. ? They both have various "modes" they can be put in. Some restrict transmission to 2m and 70cm. Others do not.

I know of several Part 90 radios (that are marketed and sold as 'ham' radios) that will do both. Maybe not 50 watts on UHF, but 40 or 45: Alinco DR-MD500T -- 40 Alinco DR-438 (UHF only) -- 45 TYT TH-9000D (UHF version) -- 45 Anytone AT-D578 -- 40/45 (depends on who you ask) I'm sure there are plenty more; those are just the ones that I've met in person. ? Using these radios on the 2m or 70cm amateur bands is of course just fine, since there is no "type-acceptance" for ham radio. They are not, however, type-accepted for Part 95e, so using them for GMRS violates the FCC Part 95 rules.

Input is INto the repeater ... in other words, the tone your radio has to transmit to open the repeater. Output is OUT of the repeater. You can program this into your radio so you will only hear traffic from the repeater since the tone matches. You can also leave the output tone out (or CSQ) but if there is other traffic on that frequency (either another repeater or simplex) you'll hear it.

My last two years as a co-op student and my first six or so years as a full-time employee were as a VAX system manager. (I always preferred that term to "system admin" which is the same job in the Unix world.) I *loved* VMS. Somewhere in a box of old computer books I still have my VAX/VMS architecture guide. The chapter on system bootup was like magic. ? I was still supporting VAXes when Cutler quit DEC and went to Microsoft. Sent shockwaves through our world!

It's not "some story". Dave Cutler, one of the three architects of VMS, led the development of Windows NT. Is it a coincidence that if you advance each letter in "VMS" you get "WNT"? (Kind of like HAL from 2001 was IBM minus one!) The whole concept of a GUI (and use of a mouse) was developed at Xerox PARC in the early 70s. Apple and Microsoft both got the concepts from there. "Fumbling the Future" is a good read. Tells how PARC invented the personal computer as we know it but Xerox never capitalized on it.

Yes, I've heard that before. I'm guessing it's a Chinese design, built in both China and Japan. But your question was, "who did it first" and I think we know the answer. ?

The FT-65 and FT-4X are much newer than the UV5R. At one point "Japanese" HTs used the standard SMA connector, and "Chinese" HTs used the reverse SMA. (The FT-65, FT-4X, and DJ-MD5 are all made in China for Japanese companies.) But now it's a bit muddier, since some of the Chinese HTs come with standard SMA connectors.

There is no "other side". Part 95a clearly states "A station at a fixed location". THAT is the ONLY definition that matters for any of the Part 95 services. The fact that it might be defined differently in Part 97 or 90, or that you think it means something else, or someone tells you that it means something else, matters not one bit as far as GMRS is concerned. The rules were written by (or with) lawyers, so they can be a bit obtuse. Find a lawyer to interpret them for you if you need to do so. Your original post was basically, "Oh no I'm scared that the FCC black helicopters will come and take me away if I buy a mobile GMRS radio and use it in my house." The regulations CLEARY STATE that is not the case. But I'm done here. Do whatever you want. If you don't think it's "legal" to use a mobile GMRS radio in a home installation (with external antenna and power supply), then DON'T DO THAT. Matters not one bit to me. I'll just keep using my "control station" to talk through GMRS repeaters, as will most other users of these forums and and legions of others that have a GMRS license.

Yes, we all know that you used your 2-channel GMRS radio when you rode a dinosaur uphill both ways in the snow to school. But we do not care, since the only GMRS rules and regulations currently in effect are the ones that went in effect in 2017. Go read the definition again. It clearly states MAY control repeater, not MUST control repeater. It really doesn't matter what YOU think the definition of a control station is. The FCC has spelled it out, and a "mobile radio connected to a power supply and outdoor antenna" clearly meets the definition of a Control Station for GMRS, whether it ever actually controls a repeater or not. The fact that you don't agree with the definition in Part 95 and think it should mean something else doesn't change the FCC rules.

As far as "base stations" go, 95.1763 states that they can transmit on the 462 main channels (GMRS 15-22) and the 462 interstital channels (1-7). It does NOT list "base station" as being allowed to transmit on the 467 main channels, which are the repeater inputs for GMRS 15-22. If you read the definitions, then "the radio at my house on a power supply connected to an outdoor antenna" is considered a "base station" if it transmits on 1-7 or 15-22, and that same radio is considered a "control station" when it transmits through a repeater. Whether or not that radio actually "controls" the repeater is irrelevant. Confusing? Yeah, I'll agree that wording it that way is odd, since to most people, a "base station" is exactly what I described above. Either way, if you were to survey the participants in these forums, I bet you would find out that at least 75% (and probably more) have "a radio at my house on a power supply connected to an outdoor antenna" that they use to talk through GMRS repeaters. The rules also clearly state that doing so is OK.

Not sure what to tell you at this point. If you don't believe that Part 95e allows you to use a mobile radio connected to a power supply and outdoor antenna to communicate through GMRS repeaters ... then don't. Matters not at all to me. I have quoted the section of Part 95 that defines what a control station is. In that definition it says that a control station CAN be used to control a repeater. It does NOT say that it HAS TO BE used in that manner. Either way, you aren't a fixed station. Stop being ... fixated on that. Sorry, couldn't resist.