MichaelLAX

With all due respect, I am not reading 7 pages of posts about what appears to be another example not on point. But remember the aphorism: "Possession is 9/10s of the law!" I bought my AT-779UV and use it as provided by Anytone's software. I am licensed for both Ham and GMRS. I use my AT-779UV within the specifications of proper Ham and GMRS usage. If those of you who applaud an interpretation that harms the end user and only helps the manufacturers (requirement to buy a 2nd radio), want to continue to do so; so be it. That's YOUR choice! My belief is that the FCC sees no harm nor foul in this situation. If my belief subsequently turns out to be wrong, I will stop using my AT-779UV for transmission on the 2 meter and 70 cm Ham bands. If your belief subsequently turns out to be wrong, the manufacturers will present you with an award suitable for framing! ?

The Baofengs were never FCC Type certified for GRMS to begin with, so your example is not relevant. Did you REALLY not understand that was what I was saying, so as to make me repeat myself needlessly?

The Baofengs were never FCC Type certified to begin with, so your example is not relevant. The debate continues, because we are now faced with a radio WITH FCC Type certification for GMRS.

You will have to ask the FCC your question. Perhaps that is why the debate is never ending...

It appears that the FCC takes a contrary view on the opposite situation, as is presented here: that a radio that can transmit on GMRS channels that is granted an FCC ID, can continue to have its FCC ID if the ability to transmit on amateur bands comes afterwards, as was presented to the FCC. The ability to use the amateur bands functionality was certainly not hidden if anyone took the time to review the Anytone software. And why not? A carefully engineered radio for GMRS that can also, after the fact, be used for 2 meters and 70 cm, does not present any regulatory problems in its continued use for GMRS. I will just have to accept that position, as I paid my money, I am a licensed Ham and GMRS user, and I am using my radio. And given that this is a sharing hobby, I am happy to share that useful information with others too!

Thanks for those recommendations: I will look more closely into your selections.

Your beef, if you have a legitimate one, is not with me, but with AnyTone (or Radioddity, in the case of their clone: DB-20G). I bought a radio and use their software (or computer-less keystrokes) to change all sorts of parameters than those that came as the default. I bought a radio and I am using it as AnyTone knows how I am using it, and that's that! I'm not losing any sleep over how I use my Anytone AT-779UV; thank you, and I will be happy to instruct others how to get the maximum use for their investment, too!

Good idea: what do you recommend?

I like my radio and its FCC ID ?

So in other words, Hams can transmit simplex on the inputs of out of area repeaters.

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You’d better tell that to AnyTone (and Radioddity for their clone: DB20-G) They’re the ones who included this capability in their Part 95 certification, and personally, I love being able to scan all my favorite 2 mtr, 70 cm and GMRS repeaters all at the same time!

You are mistaken, the AT-779UV does not require any firmware change that would void its Part 95 certification. The ability to transmit on 2 meters and 70 cm is included as an option in the CPS software provided by AnyTone, or easily through a keyboard shortcut that does not require any computer. AnyTone is clearly aware of this capability because they provided for it and I can only conclude that the FCC was aware of this capability, as well. when they gave Part 95 certification. Perhaps the FCC's definition of "modification" is different that yours, but in any case, theirs takes precedence!

I always stress it would have to be operated with such research and utility as to NOT cause interference. Are Hams prohibited by FCC Rule from transmitting on the input frequencies of out of area Ham repeaters?

Really?!? Q.E.D.

Now there's a concept: Double Puddle Jumping!!!

I'm still trying to figure out a solution that includes only bubble pack radios through a repeater... Just a fun mental exercise! I am not familiar with Retevis; although I understand that they have released a clone of my Anytone AT-779UV. The specs/features of your suggested RT-22s look terrific at that price point! They of course leave out all of the 467.xxxx channels

Hence, why I said (with Novice in quotes): A throwback to another era: 60 years since I was a Novice! FWIW: While in Chicago, "KN9" were Novices; in California, Novices were WN6!

47 CFR § 95.303 - Definitions... Fixed station. A station at a fixed location that directly communicates with other fixed stations only. 47 CFR § 95.1763 - GMRS channels... (c) 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable and control stations [but NOT fixed stations] may transmit on these channels only when communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance with § 95.319(c). The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz. [emphasis and additions mine] Hence: Fixed Stations may talk simplex to other fixed stations on these frequencies. Your mileage obviously differs! ?

Good point: Bubble wrap to transmit and BaoFeng’s to receive!!

I’ll let the rule speak for itself: “95.1763 © 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and FIXED STATIONS may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable and control stations* may transmit on these channels only when communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance with § 95.319©. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz.” *NOTE: the lack of requirement through repeaters for FIXED STATIONS. You may not like the Rule; you may disagree with the Rule; but I’ll follow the language of the Rule and not your advice, no matter how many times the Rule is incorrectly explained to me.

But KN* and WN* used to belong to Novice

Yes that would be the plan so the bubble wraps could transmit on that freq

So it is permissible per this FCC rule for two Fixed Stations talking simplex on these frequencies.