Raybestos

If a group has endeavored to hog up all eight pairs in an area, if someone puts up an independent repeater and it happens to cause the greedy hogs interference, I look at that independent owner as performing a great public service.

Thank You!

Hey, since you are in the DC area, you might be the guy I have been wanting to run in to to ask something. Back in January of 2021, there were reports in alternative media about the military "jamming" CB, MURS, and GMRS in the DC area. The sources have a long history of fear porn and frequently there being nothing to many of their "pending doom" stories. Commenters on these sites were noting that possibly ham and even EMS were on the receiving end of such jamming. Again, I never saw any verification from radio-oriented sites or sources. I do not recall if this was around the time of Jan 6, or later, around the time of the Biden "inauguration". Do you know anything about this?

Were there New York State wildlife officers in your back yard, trying to murder it?

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When you finally come to the realization that the New World Order ensures that they own all candidates with even a remote chance of making it to the White House (always "R" or "D"), it becomes impossible to believe that we can vote our way out of this mess. State and local elections, depending on where you are, yes. I am becoming more and more convinced that all US House and Senate races are equally rigged.

I have had similar occasional issues with this model, the KG935G, KG935G+, and especially the KG905G. It is as though Wouxun has somehow baked an intermittent CTCSS glitch into many of their GMRS radios. I have thus far not been able to identify a specific channel or tone where the problem is more constant or pronounced on. All of these radios are now out of warranty, but do work as they should "most" of the time.

The PL is posted on the repeater's page on My GMRS, so no big deal. Also, it appears to be part of a linked system that is known for tying up multiple channels at a time with one conversation.

That's some crazy stuff! I am sorry for the loss of your old antenna. When your new antenna comes in, here is some music to assemble it by.

Box car is correct on all points. In addition to greater power and altitude, many repeaters use land mobile public safety/business grade gain antennas and low-loss feedline (hard line). All of this contributes to the extended range you enjoy on a repeater, versus ht to ht, ht to mobile, etc. This is why people who can afford it, spend the extra money on repeaters.

Uhhh....no..... I am not going to ask or demand that the FCC allow unnecessary clogging up of the eight few channels we have for repeater and 50W simplex use, thereby turning GMRS into something it was never even remotely intended to be.

There was the "pay to play" group. They rightly dropped their link. Then came Helene and they used the excuse of "disaster/emergency" to re-activate their toy. From monitoring them, the re-linking, as before, served no useful or legitimate purpose. It just ensured that multiple repeaters across a 75-100 mile stretch were clogged with conversations that sounded like 99% of the time, were taking place on one repeater. As before, one conversation on one repeater rendered multiple repeaters useless while it was in progress. As before, it was poor stewardship of available repeater and frequency resources. But hey, "we are in a disaster/ emergency". It also ensured that some clown playing with DTMF tones was "enjoyed" by all, as were occasional lengthy bursts of white noise in the system. They seem to have finally de-linked, at least until something else can be used as an excuse to re-activate their toy. Then, there is the more local bunch that was part of a network with a name that sounds like something to do with fuel effeciency. Looking on-line, that network appears to have all but fallen off of the map, yet listening to that system, it sounds apparent that it is still hooked into something and not a stand-alone.

Hi BradleyRN! Sounds like you figured out the tone thing and its purpose pretty well on your own. Believe it or not, I have known hams, including one Extra Class, who did not understand the tone thing, even after being licensed for years. Congrats! WRXB215 brought up an interesting point and it is possible that I misunderstood part of your message. Did you send the $50 to MyGMRS or to the repeater owner? If MyGMRS, WRXB215 is correct. That is to the people who graciously maintain this site. The repeater owner will not be made aware of it. If to the repeater owner, then check your e-mail for a message from them, advising you of the PL Code. I apologize for any misunderstanding. Also, when you hear an active conversation on that frequency, try activating the "tone scan" feature on one of your radios while a conversation is in-progress. If you do not get an indication of which tone is in use after a while, try the DCS tone scan. If you get a hit, enter that tone in your transmit "encode" and try to communicate. Ask what you need to do to get permission to use the repeater. Good luck!

You will need that "tone", whether PL or DPL. Check your e-mails if you sent in your money to them on-line. They likely sent you one with the PL or DPL they use in it. You will need to transmit that tone to access the repeater. Being that you are new to GMRS, I have a feeling that you will need additional help getting the tone into your radio. If so, no shame in that. Let us know once you have the tone, what type radio you have. Somebody else or myself will be glad to get you where you need to be with this process.

Thank You!

I have heard this is necessary. Ideally, the antenna would be designed, engineered, and made so this was not necessary. What materials are needed and what areas would need this treatment?

Thank You for reposting that, Steve! Yes, on my Android, where it went to yellow print on a white background, I could not read it.

That was interesting! Wish I could have read all of it. Unfortunately their webmaster didn't understand the importance of having a decent contrast between the background and the lettering on the latter portion. Hilarious that they blame OffRoaderX for their problems when he was just the messenger. I guess there really are people still who would "shoot the messenger".

"A GMRS user can expect a communications range of one to twenty-five miles depending on station class, terrain, and repeater use. GMRS stations cannot be interconnected with the public switched telephone network or any other network for the purpose of carrying GMRS communications, but these networks can be used for remote control of repeater stations. In other words, repeaters may not be linked via the internet—an example of an “other network” in the rules—to extend the range of the communications across a large geographic area. Linking multiple repeaters to enable a repeater outside the communications range of the handheld or mobile device to retransmit messages violates sections 95.1733(a)(8) and 95.1749 of the Commission’s rules, and potentially other rules in 47 C.F.R. Repeaters may be connected to the telephone network or other networks only for purposes of remote control of a GMRS station, not for carrying communication signals. In addition to violating Commission rules, linking repeaters is not in the public interest. Because GMRS spectrum is limited and used on a shared “commons” basis, the service only works well on a localized basis when users can hear each other and cooperate in the sharing of channels. Linking repeaters not only increases the potential for interference, but also uses up a limited spectrum resource over much larger areas than intended, limiting localized availability of the repeater channels." The above pretty much says it all. In particular, the part about: "In other words, repeaters may not be linked via the internet—an example of an “other network” in the rules—to extend the range of the communications across a large geographic area. Linking multiple repeaters to enable a repeater outside the communications range of the handheld or mobile device to retransmit messages violates sections 95.1733(a)(8) and 95.1749 of the Commission’s rules, and potentially other rules in 47 C.F.R. Repeaters may be connected to the telephone network or other networks only for purposes of remote control of a GMRS station, not for carrying communication signals." Any connection to another repeater constitutes one of the dictionary definitions of "a network". "From Vocabulary dot com: noun (broadcasting) a communication system consisting of a group of broadcasting stations that all transmit the same programs “the networks compete to broadcast important sports events” see more noun (electronics) a system of interconnected electronic components or circuits" FROM IONOS "Definition: Network A network is a group of two or more computers or other electronic devices that are interconnected for the purpose of exchanging data and sharing resources." Regardless of the method of linking used to attempt to circumvent FCC rules regarding GMRS linking, it is still an obnoxious practice that attempts to change the scope of GMRS from its intended purpose of personal communications into a hobby in and of itself, aka "ham radio lite".

True! The same as using a FRS/GMRS ht in the terrain I live in, as far distance goes. Please see my reply to dosw elsewhere regarding scanning/hailing on all five. Thank You for the reply!

Hi dosw! LOL@ "the baby monitor net" and "Mr Microphone simplex group". Seriously, I was just curious as to whether or not there really was such a net. At least the guy who started the GMRS/FRS Ch 19 thing put some thought into it and, in some areas at least, it has yielded results. While you "could" scan the five MURS channels and even call out on all five, that is unnecessarily cumbersome, even with only five channels. I am just double checking to try and find evidence, if any, that a MURS net with a suggested meeting channel exists. If not, I was going to suggest to the local area net that this entry be dropped from announcements as it serves no purpose. Thank You!

Hi! I have a question that I have been unable to find an answer for using traditional internet searches. An area GMRS net that I occasionally listen to lists other area and adjacent area nets. They occasionally mention a "Monday Night MURS Net At 9 PM". I presume this "net" (if it indeed exists) would be similar to the "GMRS/FRS Friday Night 9PM (local time) Net on FRS/GMRS Channel 19 Simplex". Unfortunately, unlike the FRS/GMRS Net, no channel number or frequency for such is ever provided, adding to the uselessness of this information. Does anyone know if there is such a Monday night MURS net and if so, on which channel it might occur on? Thank You!

I don't understand the people trying to come up with some loophole for this. A linked GMRS system in range of me has finally done the right thing and de-linked their repeaters. The other night, I heard about four to six guys having a pity party on the repeater closest to me about "how wrong it is" that the FCC has taken away their linking. One or two trotted out the false notion that RF linking will be legal once they figure out how to do that. What was missed by all of them was that they were all on one repeater, having a nice, friendly, conversation, and it was working just fine despite the absence of linking. Also unnoticed by them I feel sure, is that three or four other repeaters were open and available to others in the respective local areas of each repeater, for similar conversations, contact with family or friends on the road, or other originally intended uses of GMRS. I have yet to hear a GMRS conversation taking place on one repeater, that the world would suffer if it were not simultaneously broadcast over multiple other repeaters. I spoke with an old regular contact and over-the-air friend last night who lamented the loss of linking on that system. I mentioned the advantage in that now, each repeater can carry its own, local area, conversations without disrupting that ability over a 100 mile long path for others. As he thought about it, he agreed with me. He did wish for the ability to at least link as needed, but I think he will adjust well to the change, with time.

Interesting point, Mark! Another possibility I had not considered!

I confess to pondering weird stuff, probably quite a bit. I used to think about how cheap (Red) Chinese radios have all but replaced higher-end, traditionally Japanese, radios like Kenwood, Icom, and Yeasu, in the ham and other markets. I used to wonder if the Chinese may have produced, or at least pondered such, radios with a "kill switch" code which could disable hundreds of thousands of these devices if our country were to be at war with them. I pondered the likelihood of carcinogenic chemicals in the radios. I never pondered what the Israelis are said to have done, adding explosive charges to the radios. Now that cat is out of the bag, it is a viable concern to ponder, especially when receiving radios from a known adversary. With ham or GMRS, not on a known network, delivery of a signal to start harmful processes might be difficult, but "where there's a will...". Oh, and think about where all of our I-Phones and many Androids come from. With a huge connected network, delivery of harmful processes might not be so difficult.