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Why not just take the test for amateur radio if you want to do as there are plenty of dmr repeaters. I'll stick to my p25 radios.

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I just checked it on the app. Click on more details and you will see it.

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I just checked it on the app. Click on more details and you will see it.

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I just checked it on the app. Click on more details and you will see it.

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WRWY215 does not own any of the repeaters they are listing.
 
Wqcz300 owns the Verdugo 700
https://mygmrs.com/repeater/7636?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=digest
 
The notarubacon 600 is owned by randy wrwc280
https://mygmrs.com/repeater/7593
 
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WRWY215 does not own any of the repeaters they are listing.
 
Wqcz300 owns the Verdugo 700
https://mygmrs.com/repeater/7636?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=digest
 
The notarubacon 600 is owned by randy wrwc280
https://mygmrs.com/repeater/7593
 
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Can't believe I am gonna do this again.... especially after saying I wasn't... but here we go.
 
First issue.  WHO'S GONNA MANAGE IT?  Who's gonna assign talk group ID's and radio ID's?
How is it gonna be linked if at all?
Are we gonna allow some form of trunking?  Motorola has Cap Plus trunking,  but those levels of trunking are tier 2 and proprietary.  Meaning your 50 or 100 dollar cheapie radio ain't gonna work.  Motorola radios only.   And no linking with that.  Unless of course you are gonna want to pony up the 2000 bucks for the license for EACH repeater, and the grand for the special router that's required.
No old analog radios can be used.  So all your analog radio's are no longer usable.  Period.  Buy new radios.
The biggest issue, is management.  Someone needs to create a database and keep track of all the assigned radio ID's and talk groups so that nothing overlaps. This is going to be really important with linking two or more repeaters together.
Speaking of which, a maximum of 15 repeaters can be linked together.  To exceed that, you need a D-Bridge to route the talk group traffic.  Who's buying those? 
Ya'll are gonna get me banned off here posting this damn question over and over.  You want DMR, go sit a test and get a ham license. They use it all the time, and they have this worked out.  We (GMRS community) don't.  There are requirements to DMR we don't have currently with analog wide band FM.  The service works fine on analog.  And even the arguments for area's that are using it for 'sorta' public safety like SAR and such.  Go get a damn commercial repeater license and a couple simplex frequencies for your group and put in your own communication system.  Because that's the nonsense that will turn GMRS into HAM radio and ultimately CB.  I have been a ham for 30 years and watched it happen there with people having zero respect for the service get licensed for EMCOMM use for their SAR and CERT groups.  Sure commercial is a bit more expensive, but ONLY ONE license needs to be obtained.  If you set the license up right, and get national frequencies, then ANYONE regardless of the license they might have on another service can use your radios, or you can grant them access to program their radios to be on your licensed frequencies.  It's really not that difficult to see it's a better option.
 

I wouldn't equate the two.
I do want to point out the somewhat frequent post where a new GMRS user wants to setup a repeater. Most have no idea what they are getting into and what the various pit falls might be. The real important question is how many of those who want a repeater REALLY need one of their own? With just 8 frequency pairs it won't take that many before interference between them becomes a problem.
Perhaps the FCC could require some kind of coordination, either officially, or through a local group of repeater owners. The Ham community had a coordination group.
It might even be a better idea to pool the resources from several potential repeater owners. The pooled resources are used to Install a repeater at a location with a wide area coverage and open access to reduce the need for a bunch of smaller coverage zone repeaters scattered all over a given area at random. When one looks at the cost and work required to roll your own and the small coverage zone you get with a site with poor antenna elevation the above suggestion looks better. 
This was done with a couple of repeaters in the Detroit area in the past several months. The additional benefit are the repeaters are link so even more of the area is covered. My understanding is another one will likely get install farther up north of the area, likely also linked too. 
 

How does “installing a repeater just because they want one” even remotely equate to “install a new repeater to save lives?”

If they are not cognizant of what's already installed in their area and are interfering with an existing repeater then yes, they are being irresponsible.

Why not just take the test for amateur radio if you want to do as there are plenty of dmr repeaters. I'll stick to my p25 radios.

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I agree 100%! You get every Tom, dick, and Harry wanting to set up a repeater just because they want one. Don't ask for a new mode of communication to compensate for irresponsible use of spectrum.

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Then stop putting repeaters on top of other repeaters! Simple solution because you don't need more than a few. Here in Southern California we have idiots that need to shut up and allow others to periodically use the frequency. Those are the real issues.

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Why not just take the test for amateur radio if you want to do as there are plenty of dmr repeaters. I'll stick to my p25 radios.

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Then stop putting repeaters on top of other repeaters! Simple solution because you don't need more than a few. Here in Southern California we have idiots that need to shut up and allow others to periodically use the frequency. Those are the real issues.

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Why not just take the test for amateur radio if you want to do as there are plenty of dmr repeaters. I'll stick to my p25 radios.

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This discussion needs to end because the answer is not digital or cutting a high level repeater down to 25 watts. If you want more frequencies or digital modes go to amateur radio and leave gmrs as it is.

What does need to happen is more education as people need to understand that gmrs is not the same as a cellphone so you shouldn't use it like one and talk for hours.

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Why not just take the test for amateur radio if you want to do as there are plenty of dmr repeaters. I'll stick to my p25 radios.

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The issue from what I have heard is people use the same frequency and tone as the repeater then when someone gets on the repeater they get yelled at for it. But yes if you had a decent base radio you could get some distance even simplex.

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One other point. Just how many people check to see if they can reliably communicate using simplex? If they can then they should stay off the repeater, use simplex, and let those who REALLY need it the access. 

Then stop putting repeaters on top of other repeaters! Simple solution because you don't need more than a few. Here in Southern California we have idiots that need to shut up and allow others to periodically use the frequency. Those are the real issues.

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DMR channels do not use 7.6 kHz of spectrum; they each use 12.5 kHz but they use time division multiplexing to share that portion of spectrum. In other words each current GMRS channel would only represent two DMR channels. 
Gil is correct that this would impact everyone who has an analog GMRS radio. Use of such a radio requires the entire channel, making it unavailable for DMR.  
Conversely, to those who have analog radios, every DMR transmission sounds like an impact wrench.
“Here in California, CERT, neighborhood or fire watch, militia groups, etc. have implemented GMRS because 80-90% of their members have no direct interest in the technical aspects of amateur radio.”
I don’t know how true that statistic is, but ruining GMRS for the rest of us isn’t the answer. 
 
P.S.  People who have no direct interest in the technical aspects of amateur radio might have a tough go when they have to program a codeplug. DMR codeplugs are extremely technical. I guess you could sell the radio with a basic codeplug that’s simplex DMR on 1-22 and duplex on 23-30, but what do you use for talk groups, time slots, and color codes?

I am hearing on line, that a new repeater list is being generated. Many people claiming MyGMRS list is stale and has many old listing that no longer exist. Anybody have any idea, out of all the repeaters listed, how many are actually active?