Repeater ID

[WSAU511]

I have a GMRS repeater using two Motorola CDM 750 radios with a Motorola RICK controller.  How can I add a station ID?  I saw a simple add on device from RepeaterID.com but it seems it is mainly for the Retevis repeaters.  Is there some way to adapt it to my repeater?

 

Thanks WSAU511

[WRUU653]

8 hours ago, Socalgmrs said:

Why? You don’t need to, and it’s pretty annoying having to hear one every 15min.   

I guess you didn’t read or the rules you agreed to read when you got your license

 

7 hours ago, WRXL702 said:

In Other Words, Your Repeater Station Users Are Required To ID, Along With Your Licensed Group Users As Well.

Really No Need For Your Repeater Station To Auto CWID - Unless You Just Think It's Cool..... 

Unfortunately, This Can Cause Issues If You As The Licensee, Do Not ID On Your Station, Due To Auto CWID - Others May Follow Suit Thinking The Repeater ID Is Satisfying Their Repeater Station ID User Requirements.

I Do Not Use Station CWID On My Repeaters For Just That Reason

Follow the rules or don’t but you are giving incorrect information. If people other than your family are using the repeater you absolutely are required to have you repeater ID. 
 

FCC Part 95.1751 (c):

(c) Any GMRS repeater station is not required to transmit station identification if:

(1) It retransmits only communications from GMRS stations operating under authority of the individual license under which it operates; and,

(2) The GMRS stations whose communications are retransmitted are properly identified in accordance with this section.

the “if” and the “and” are key to understanding the rule regarding the need for repeater ID. It doesn’t say “or”. 

[SteveShannon]

1 hour ago, WSAU511 said:

I have a GMRS repeater using two Motorola CDM 750 radios with a Motorola RICK controller.  How can I add a station ID?  I saw a simple add on device from RepeaterID.com but it seems it is mainly for the Retevis repeaters.  Is there some way to adapt it to my repeater?

 

Thanks WSAU511

Welcome to the forum. Does the RICK controller have an ID function?  The ID can be your call sign in Morse code if it’s easier. 
The RepeaterID breakout board can be used with the RepeaterID for use with “surplus repeaters” according to the website. 

[SteveShannon]

12 minutes ago, WRXL702 said:

FCC Part 95.1751 (c):

 

(c) Any GMRS repeater station is not required to transmit station identification if:

(1) It retransmits only communications from GMRS stations operating under authority of the individual license under which it operates; and,

(2) The GMRS stations whose communications are retransmitted are properly identified in accordance with this section.
 

In Other Words, Your Repeater Station Users Are Required To ID, Along With Your Licensed Group Users As Well.

Really No Need For Your Repeater Station To Auto CWID - Unless You Just Think It's Cool..... 

Unfortunately, This Can Cause Issues If You As The Licensee, Do Not ID On Your Station, Due To Auto CWID - Others May Follow Suit Thinking The Repeater ID Is Satisfying Their Repeater Station ID User Requirements.

I Do Not Use Station CWID On My Repeaters For Just That Reason.

 

Your repeater isn’t required to ID if and only if the only people who use it are people you have authorized to use your call sign and they identify correctly.
If anyone with a different call sign uses your repeater, the repeater must be IDed. You can certainly do that manually and it definitely doesn’t have to be Morse code, but the repeater must be identified. Morse just happens to be built in for some controllers. Personally I prefer English language IDs also. 

[WRUE951]

2 hours ago, WSAU511 said:

I have a GMRS repeater using two Motorola CDM 750 radios with a Motorola RICK controller.  How can I add a station ID?  I saw a simple add on device from RepeaterID.com but it seems it is mainly for the Retevis repeaters.  Is there some way to adapt it to my repeater?

 

Thanks WSAU511

this guy fibured it out   

 

[WSAU511]

21 hours ago, SteveShannon said:

Welcome to the forum. Does the RICK controller have an ID function?  The ID can be your call sign in Morse code if it’s easier. 
The RepeaterID breakout board can be used with the RepeaterID for use with “surplus repeaters” according to the website. 

It does not.

[WSAU511]

18 hours ago, Mrsig said:

Send Repeater ID a email they are very nice & helpful.

This is what they made for me for mine.

 

 

 

I did contact them.  they responded that I may need a breakout box and they did provide a pin out for it.  I may have to go that route.

[WRUU653]

8 hours ago, WRXL702 said:

c).

#2 - GMRS Stations (Not Operating Under The Individual License 

Except it doesn’t say that. You added it.
It says operating under the individual license AND  properly identified in accordance with this section.
You’ll notice there is a comma after “AND”. It’s not a separate rule the two statements are combined. 

[OffRoaderX]

31 minutes ago, Socalgmrs said:

Why? You don’t need to, and it’s pretty annoying having to hear one every 15min.   

Devin, that is not a very helpful answer is it?

[Mrsig]

Send Repeater ID a email they are very nice & helpful.

This is what they made for me for mine.

 

 

 

[WRUE951]

2 hours ago, SteveShannon said:

Your repeater isn’t required to ID if and only if the only people who use it are people you have authorized to use your call sign and they identify correctly.
If anyone with a different call sign uses your repeater, the repeater must be IDed. You can certainly do that manually and it definitely doesn’t have to be Morse code, but the repeater must be identified. Morse just happens to be built in for some controllers. Personally I prefer English language IDs also. 

yup, its a good idea to auto identify your repeater station, especially if it is an open repeater.  At the end of the day, Its operation is the owners responsibility.    Also a good idea to set up for remote access to disable if needed..  I have never had to remote shut down mine but a nearby friend has a few times due to jamming. Another thing he does, that i don't, i probly should, if he is away from montering range he shuts his down..  His is set up for continuous 15 minute ID intervals. I dont like that, i think it is silly, so i set mine for ID on Busy only on 15 min intervals.  It's a personal preference thing.  He does it so people can find and identity that particular repeate which has a very very wide operational range.    

[Mrsig]

My repeater is not open. It is only used for my ranch & range. I have gave permission only to a few other ranchers near me and the owners of leased land for the cattle. Every time the range is hot the range officer broadcast that. When it is cold too. It's a safety thing.

[WRXL702]

6 hours ago, WRUU653 said:

I guess you didn’t read or the rules you agreed to read when you got your license

 

Follow the rules or don’t but you are giving incorrect information. If people other than your family are using the repeater you absolutely are required to have you repeater ID. 
 

FCC Part 95.1751 (c):

(c) Any GMRS repeater station is not required to transmit station identification if:

(1) It retransmits only communications from GMRS stations operating under authority of the individual license under which it operates; and,

(2) The GMRS stations whose communications are retransmitted are properly identified in accordance with this section.

the “if” and the “and” are key to understanding the rule regarding the need for repeater ID. It doesn’t say “or”. 

Sorry, But I Don't Agree With Your Interpretation Of Part 95.1751 (c).

#2 - GMRS Stations (Not Operating Under The Individual License) (Other GMRS Stations) Are Properly Identified For The Retransmitted (Repeater) Communications.

The Words "If" & "And" Are Key To Understanding The Rule, That's Why It's Very Self Explanitory.

 

[SteveShannon]

1 hour ago, WRXL702 said:

Sorry, But I Don't Agree With Your Interpretation Of Part 95.1751 (c).

#2 - GMRS Stations (Not Operating Under The Individual License) (Other GMRS Stations) Are Properly Identified For The Retransmitted (Repeater) Communications.

The Words "If" & "And" Are Key To Understanding The Rule, That's Why It's Very Self Explanitory.

 

I agree with Gil (wruu653). I’m curious what you disagree about. 

Do you disagree that the conditions of clauses must both be true (the literal and logical meaning word “and” at the end of the first clause), otherwise the repeater must transmit station identification?  

Do you disagree with our interpretation that the condition of the first clause is satisfied only if the people using the repeater are people using the license of the repeater owner? Literally “stations operating under the authority of the individual license under which it operates”.

Do you disagree that the condition of the second clause is satisfied only if all people using the repeater follow the rules regarding identifying when they use the repeater?

Or do you disagree on some other basis?

 

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https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/part-95#p-95.1751(c) 

Citation

47 CFR 95.1751(c) :

c. Any GMRS repeater station is not required to transmit station identification if:

(1) It retransmits only communications from GMRS stations operating under authority of the individual license under which it operates; and,

(2) The GMRS stations whose communications are retransmitted are properly identified in accordance with this section.

[WSAU511]

20 hours ago, WRUE951 said:

this guy fibured it out   

 

There is not a lot of technical information.  Like how do you connect the two together, how to add the CW call to the device, how to change it from simplex to duplex.  There is more information for the disconnect than station ID

[WRUE951]

3 hours ago, WSAU511 said:

There is not a lot of technical information.  Like how do you connect the two together, how to add the CW call to the device, how to change it from simplex to duplex.  There is more information for the disconnect than station ID

he discusses a little on connecting the two radios to the RICK,,,,  as far as programing the CW can you find anything on a Google search, along with the other aspects you are looking for?  Repeaterbuilder.com might be the best resource for your questions and help.. Those guys are eager to help anyone.  ..  I once had a repeater made with two Maxon Mobil Radios (similar to two Motorolas).  I used an ICS controller with OpenRepeater software, open source.  I had to access the pinouts from both radios to make a custom pig-tail cable to communicate with the controller and radio.  That setup cost less than $200, worked very well.  Was able to program CW or voice on any interval i needed and also had a busy option..   

[WRXL702]

1 hour ago, WSAU511 said:

I have a GMRS repeater using two Motorola CDM 750 radios with a Motorola RICK controller.  How can I add a station ID?  I saw a simple add on device from RepeaterID.com but it seems it is mainly for the Retevis repeaters.  Is there some way to adapt it to my repeater?

 

Thanks WSAU511

FCC Part 95.1751 (c):

(c) Any GMRS repeater station is not required to transmit station identification if:

(1) It retransmits only communications from GMRS stations operating under authority of the individual license under which it operates; and,

(2) The GMRS stations whose communications are retransmitted are properly identified in accordance with this section.
 

In Other Words, Your Repeater Station Users Are Required To ID, Along With Your Licensed Group Users As Well.

Really No Need For Your Repeater Station To Auto CWID - Unless You Just Think It's Cool..... 

Unfortunately, This Can Cause Issues If You As The Licensee, Do Not ID On Your Station, Due To Auto CWID - Others May Follow Suit Thinking The Repeater ID Is Satisfying Their Repeater Station ID User Requirements.

I Do Not Use Station CWID On My Repeaters For Just That Reason.

 

[WSHH887]

I think what we need are two lawyers on the forum. They can both read the rules then explain them in layman's terms. After which they can spend eternity arguing whose interpretation is correct (yea, two lawyers can't ever agree on what laws mean, how can we mere mortals).  

[Socalgmrs]

Why? You don’t need to, and it’s pretty annoying having to hear one every 15min.