Are MURS radio allwowed for business use?

[ULTRA2]

The reason i asked prior to my relocation i live near a cemetary that uses MURS ch5 from the office to the men on the cemetary grounds is that legal for MURS use?

[PastorGary]

95.2731   Permissible MURS uses.

The operator of a MURS station may use it for the purposes listed in this section.

 

(a ) MURS stations may be used to transmit voice, data or image signals.

(b ) MURS stations may be used for telecommand and telemetry functions.

 

 

95.2733   Prohibited MURS uses.

MURS stations must not be operated as repeater stations or signal boosters. This prohibition includes store-and-forward packet operation

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2 Watt power limitations and no repeaters of any kind, but that's about it.  Businesses use MURS all over the country.

 

[mcallahan]

Yes, that is a typical (and legal) use of MURS radio.

[WRAK968]

Perfectly fine, in fact we use MURS as a back-up and BS channel for when the repeater goes down, [Or for when we want to discuss something without the PD or supervisors hearing] MURS doesn't cover the entire property but we can get a few blocks range, especially when on the beach.

[ncjones28677]

The reason i asked prior to my relocation i live near a cemetary that uses MURS ch5 from the office to the men on the cemetary grounds is that legal for MURS use?

WAL-MART uses 154.600 and 154.570 yes they can .Walmart going to MURS some stores still hold an fcc  bussiness license

[Downs]

IIRC Wal Mart lobbied for certain frequencies to be added to MURS just so they could use a license by rule radio servcie instead of paying for a business band license for each location.

 

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[ULTRA2]

We have Costco, Wallmart, Target, Winco Foods here in Roseville and i do hear traffic on 154.570 and 154.600. I once in a while i hear traffic on 151.625 not sure who uses that frequency but i do hear conversations on there.

 

 

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[WRAF213]

151.625 is under Part 90.35 as a business itinerant channel and isn't part of MURS.

[ULTRA2]

Thats what i thought thanks for the confirmation

 

 

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[Jones]

... once in a while i hear traffic on 151.625 not sure who uses that frequency but i do hear conversations on there.

 

 

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151.625 is known as "The RED-Dot Channel" in the part 90 world.  Radios with this frequency are usually noted by a red-colored dot on the back somewhere, or in the battery case.  Every radio company, and their pet dogs, have sold radios on that frequency since the mid 1970s.  Midland, Motorola, Johnson, Ritron, Job-Comm, Uniden, Kenwood, Icom, Yaesu, Pace, GE, hundreds of off-brands.... even Radio Shack sold a set of hand-held radios on 151.625.

 

This is one of the only part 90 frequencies that is grandfather-claused in the law for wide-band operation.  There is just no way to replace the hundreds of thousands of radios already in use on this particular frequency.  A lot of businesses that move place to place use this as their default channel.  I often hear, radio and TV tower climbers, road construction crews, trucking companies, crop harvesting companies, carnivals and circuses and other show production companies...  basically, any business that moves around a lot from place to place that needs quick, legal, licensed, short-range 2-way communications no matter where they are in the USA.

 

It is a fun frequency to keep in your scanner, to see who is in town.

[BillMCO]

I always figured that whoever sold Wal-Mart/Sams their radios just sold them MURS and pocketed the license money. Haha. 

I've got some Motorola RDM2020/2080D radios that I've used for years and recently picked up 10 Retevis RT-27V radios that I need to get programmed away from Wal-Mart frequencies. Never had a problem with just the Motorolas as I had CTCS on. But when I picked up the RT-27V radios, I had to disable CTCS on the Motorolas since you can't do that by hand on the Retevis. The RT-27V radios won't show on CHIRP on Mac, so I'm kind of screwed until I pick up a budget PC to dedicate to programming. 

[berkinet]

... I had to disable CTCS on the Motorolas since you can't do that by hand on the Retevis. The RT-27V radios won't show on CHIRP on Mac, so I'm kind of screwed until I pick up a budget PC to dedicate to programming. 

 

One word, free solution: VirtualBox

 

But, are you sure the problem is due to running CHIRP on MacOS? CHIRP is written in Python and should be virtually identical on any platform it will run on.  However, the RT27 (FRS/UHF) & RT27V (MURS/VHF) are not listed as supported.  Since the Retevis software will certainly run in VirtualBox, you will be covered in any case.

[berkinet]

And... there is another solution that probably deserves its own topic. Remote access to a radio through the use of USB port sharing over Internet. The software I am most familiar with is VirtualHere (not related to VirtualBox). This software would let someone connect a radio to their local machine (Linux, Windows or MacOS) and then share it over the net so someone remote, with the proper software/skills, could program the radio.

 

I have personally used this scheme to program some Motorola radios using the Motorola programming software. We also use this same scheme to access our MTR2000 repeater should we need to make changes. In the case of the repeater, we run VirtualHere on a Raspberry-Pi. Works great.

[WROY767]

On 6/8/2019 at 3:17 PM, billofthecove said:

“recently picked up 10 Retevis RT-27V radios that I need to get programmed away from Wal-Mart frequencies. Never had a problem with just the Motorolas as I had CTCS on. But when I picked up the RT-27V radios, I had to disable CTCS on the Motorolas since you can't do that by hand on the Retevis. The RT-27V radios won't show on CHIRP on Mac, so I'm kind of screwed until I pick up a budget PC to dedicate to programming. 

The Retevis 27 now has a Retevis software version. It’s specific to that model. Chirp doesn’t (at least I can’t make it) work on the 27. It’s a weird model but an awesome little radio. 
I have a 7-pack of the U model.

PM me if you need info on it.

 

 

 

 

[Lscott]

On 6/9/2019 at 11:36 AM, berkinet said:

And... there is another solution that probably deserves its own topic. Remote access to a radio through the use of USB port sharing over Internet. The software I am most familiar with is VirtualHere (not related to VirtualBox). This software would let someone connect a radio to their local machine (Linux, Windows or MacOS) and then share it over the net so someone remote, with the proper software/skills, could program the radio.

 

I have personally used this scheme to program some Motorola radios using the Motorola programming software. We also use this same scheme to access our MTR2000 repeater should we need to make changes. In the case of the repeater, we run VirtualHere on a Raspberry-Pi. Works great.

Windows has a remote feature, Remote Desktop, where you can login remotely from another computer. At the point it's like sitting at the other computer's keyboard, screen and mouse. The remote computer uses Windows terminal services client.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/how-to-use-remote-desktop-5fe128d5-8fb1-7a23-3b8a-41e636865e8c

I do this all the time at work. I have a Linux VM running on another computer with RDP, Linux's remote desktop service like Windows, and access it remotely over the company's network with Windows terminal services client software.

 

[PACNWComms]

If it were not for MURS (and analog AM aviation comms), I think my Realistic Pro-2006 and Pro-2032 scanners would never get used anymore. I am close enough to several cities that decided to protest and self destruct certain areas, coordinating via MURS, as it provided the longest range and unlicensed band for VHF comms. Then I also heard many of them move to GMRS frequencies as well. Dual band, and cheap radios mean that both MURS and GMRS get a lot of use. Makes for some interesting listening. My local Wal-Mart still uses MURS, as does Lowes and possibly Home Depot at a few of their stores in my area. I have seen a few RDM series Motorola radios on the hips at some larger home improvement stores, some look to be VHF while others are UHF. 

[Lscott]

2 hours ago, PACNWComms said:

I am close enough to several cities that decided to protest and self destruct certain areas, coordinating via MURS, as it provided the longest range and unlicensed band for VHF comms. Then I also heard many of them move to GMRS frequencies as well. Dual band, and cheap radios mean that both MURS and GMRS get a lot of use. Makes for some interesting listening.

I'll bet it was interesting.

[WRFP399]

On 2/18/2022 at 5:06 AM, PACNWComms said:

 I am close enough to several cities that decided to protest and self destruct certain areas, coordinating via MURS, as it provided the longest range and unlicensed band for VHF comms. Then I also heard many of them move to GMRS frequencies as well. 

Was this during the summer of 2020? Regardless, I am curious as to how "coordinated" it really was.