5 MHz Split

[Elbowmac]

I am attempting to program a repeater that does not have the standard +5Mhz into my radios. The radios I  own, a Radioddity GM-30 and DB20G do not seem to allow this and the seeming lack of documentation is perplexing. I have been advised that this is a specific radio issue and it is also a FCC requirement for gmrs radios... Another internet and word of mouth conundrum ie: pain. Thanks for any clarification, information and or documentation

 

BTW any thoughts on Wouxon KG805G radio's quality, durability and reception and transmissions. Hope that covers it all.....

Edited November 26 by Elbowmac
Additional info needed

[SteveShannon]

23 minutes ago, WRYS709 said:

I am going to say this really slowly, so you can better understand:

If they want MY advice, I prefer that they NOT use these Voting threads.

Just based on those two sentences I hope more db20g questions are asked in the technical discussions forum. There’s absolutely nothing special about your advice. Why would we kowtow to you?

[WRUU653]

5 minutes ago, WRYS709 said:

My mother taught me that it is better to remain silent and be thought a moron, than to speak up and remove all doubt!

you should have listened. Ignore list. 

[kidphc]

My mother taught me that it is better to remain silent and be thought a moron, than to speak up and remove all doubt!

My mommy said I was special. But not in a good way.

Sent from my SM-S901U using Tapatalk

[Elbowmac]

On 11/26/2024 at 12:29 PM, WRXB215 said:

The GM-30 and the DB20G do have the +5 offset on the repeater channels. Just pick the correct channel and add the input tone for the repeater.

Yes Sir that is the way these radios work. Managed to successfully do that, but thought that there might be a way to do a non-standard offset. I recognize that possible work a-rounds are not worth the effort at my current stage of usage.

Thanks

 

[SteveShannon]

25 minutes ago, Elbowmac said:

Sorry to rile up a getting warm controversy by not understanding the system of questions used by this forum. I do not like or understand it and find it hard to follow. That does not have anything to do with my questions and is a bit of a pain that if it wasn't for the possible worth of the answers I would not continue. It seems that the proper expression of opinions could be done in much better ways, in all aspects of our life. I am not saying I do not appreciate the support for being a target of off target expression, thanks. Divide and conquer????

Absolutely none of this is your fault.  You asked sincere questions that belonged in the technical discussion forum.  People answered.  The way it’s supposed to work is that people vote up the best answer and vote down wrong answers.  Then, when a person reads the question later they get the highest quality answer at the top instead of having to read through three or twelve pages hoping that one of the answers is correct.

The system actually works well and helps people find peer reviewed answers quickly when people use it as intended and has worked well for years, but sometimes we end up with a couple of knuckleheads who don’t like it and end up consistently at the bottom of the pile. Or sometimes people mark down posts based on who posted rather than the quality of the answer.

Personally, I like being able to sort by votes, but I wish the default was sort by date simply to avoid the whining by 709 or better yet allow each person to determine in their profile which way they wanted to see the sorting.

[WRUU653]

1 hour ago, Elbowmac said:

Thanks and no problem, but a distraction.. I am understanding the reasoning, but getting to cold start understand it is another thing to learn. The way you describe it makes it sound valuable to those that can appreciate it. Appreciate the help and information. Lost track of whose tagline said to the effect "Life is to short to argue with strangers on the internet", kudos to the author.

If anyone is to be sorry it wasn’t you sir. I apologize for my part in the distraction in your thread. 
You were right that the “proper expression of opinions could be done in much better ways”. A criticism and or observation I will take, regardless if it was directed at me or not. Life is too short to argue with strangers on the internet and who knows what struggles they may be having in their own life.  
Apologies again and Happy Thanksgiving.

[Elbowmac]

18 minutes ago, WRUU653 said:

If anyone is to be sorry it wasn’t you sir. I apologize for my part in the distraction in your thread. 
You were right that the “proper expression of opinions could be done in much better ways”. A criticism and or observation I will take, regardless if it was directed at me or not. Life is too short to argue with strangers on the internet and who knows what struggles they may be having in their own life.  
Apologies again and Happy Thanksgiving.

Apology accepted but not required. The paraphrase of the comment was me shouting to the world to stop the arguing about stuff. Together we stand, divided we fall. People do put different amounts of importance differently. Maybe together we could come to a reasonable consensus, or not! A Happy Thanksgiving to you and to all that are not just looking forward to a black Friday Sale.

[steved28]

I'm not sure if this was brought up in this thread, but what is the repeater in question using for duplexers? You said something about interference with ship traffic. In my experience, with a repeater on a busy tower, you need a better set of cans. Your repeater should not be passing any frequencies not meant for the input of the repeater, period. You might be chasing this problem in the wrong direction. 

[SteveShannon]

1 minute ago, steved28 said:

I'm not sure if this was brought up in this thread, but what is the repeater in question using for duplexers? You said something about interference with ship traffic. In my experience, with a repeater on a busy tower, you need a better set of cans. Your repeater should not be passing any frequencies not meant for the input of the repeater, period. You might be chasing this problem in the wrong direction. 

It’s not a case of slightly off frequency interference. Some ships in port transmit on exactly the same frequency as GMRS repeaters use as inputs. 

[steved28]

10 minutes ago, SteveShannon said:

It’s not a case of slightly off frequency interference. Some ships in port transmit on exactly the same frequency as GMRS repeaters use as inputs. 

Ok, I'm not an expert by any means of marine frequency allocations. But is what they are doing legal? 

[MarkInTampa]

33 minutes ago, steved28 said:

Ok, I'm not an expert by any means of marine frequency allocations. But is what they are doing legal? 

Yes... At least on 467.550 and 467.575 (the input freqs of GMRS repeaters 462.550 and 462.575) per ITU agreement. The sad part is they are allowed and encouraged to run a shipboard repeater output on those two GMRS repeater inputs but at a 10MHz lower split instead of +5MHz GMRS uses.

 

[WRYS709]

20 hours ago, Elbowmac said:

Hello WRYS709, I am finally understanding your post. I did not know that there is a Sort by posts type thread. I was wondering about the crazy answer structure I was receiving. How do I go about reposting and finding the options on type of posts?

I will let @WRUU653 answer your questions, instead of just complain about my complaining about the format and meta-structure of this type of thread.

And, hopefully he will be specific about his answers on your use of the GM-30 and DB20-G on split repeaters!

Good luck and see you on your next question! 

[WRYS709]

15 hours ago, WRUU653 said:

you should have listened. Ignore list. 

My prayers have been answered!

[WRYS709]

1 minute ago, WRUU653 said:

Dude I agree that it's annoying but why don't you start a thread in the "MYGMRS section" with a poll that people can vote on in hopes of changing the format or be a man and make an appeal to @rdunajewski the owner.  

I didn't complain about your complaining, I pointed out that it wasn't the new guys responsibility to change how the site works and it wasn't cool of you to put it on him. You don't like it that much get off your ass and try and change it and stop taking it out on others. 

No wonder, someone on the GMRS SubReddit advises us to "Ignore" you!

[WRYS709]

8 hours ago, Elbowmac said:

Appreciate the support and help increasing my understanding. I find it difficult after using forums forever!! Thanx

5 minutes ago, WRUU653 said:

And yet, after @Elbowmacread my suggestion to him as a newbie, his subsequent questions are posted as I suggested.

[WRYS709]

9 minutes ago, WRUU653 said:

so your point is you are going to whine about every post with a voting system until you get everyone on board with your wishes? Okay I guess that's one approach. Why not create the post I suggested and get a consensus? I'll even vote on the poll for the change you are seeking.

I am going to say this really slowly, so you can better understand:

If they want MY advice, I prefer that they NOT use these Voting threads.

AND last time I checked, YOU have NOT given the OP ANY advice about his question regarding the 5 MHz split on the GM-30 or DB20-G!

[WRYS709]

3 minutes ago, WRUU653 said:

As for answering the question, did you think I took direction from you?  You may not understand this but I have a life and haven't even seen the question, I may get back later and have a look but I actually have other things going on.  

My mother taught me that it is better to remain silent and be thought a moron, than to speak up and remove all doubt!

[WRYS709]

"Sort by VOTES" - Good luck!

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Elbowmac said:

 

BTW any thoughts on Wouxon KG805G radio's quality, durability and reception and transmissions. Hope that covers it all.....

Loads of radios Atleast same quality for much less money. It’s just a radio like all other radios.  It will rx and tx exactly the same as a radio 1/5th the price 

[Guest]

15 hours ago, AdmiralCochrane said:

But it is more likely to apply more of its radiated power on receivable center frequency and less wasted on harmonics that no one hears.  Your money is not wasted.

I’m on simplex and repeaters Atleast 12 hours every day 7 days a week. I talk on average 20 miles many times 50plus miles.   No one knows if I’m using a $20ht and a $150ht or a $5000ht.  You’ll learn kore as you actually use multiple radios over 30plus years.     They all tx and rx exactly the same.  The ONLY difference is battery life and I can upgrade any radios battery for small and light or big and heavy.  

[WRYS709]

50 minutes ago, Elbowmac said:

I did not explain myself well enough, thanks. I want to program a non-standard repeater split, not the +5 Mhz standard!!

Repost on another thread that is not "Sort by Votes" and I will be happy to respond...

If it is a ham radio repeater, post on that topic please.