SteveShannon Posted 14 hours ago Report Posted 14 hours ago 2 hours ago, TNFrank said: What about 2M? I was under the impression that RG8x gave less signal loss across all frequencies. I'm still learning this stuff though. What would be better then, RG58? Also, I know shorter is better but I wanted enough length to get the antenna out and away from any tables I'd be sitting at. Losses through any coax go up as the frequency goes up. RG-58 is terrible for UHF. RG8x is better than RG58 but still poor compared to something like LMR400. Each person must calculate what the actual losses will be and decide whether they can afford that amount of losses. What’s worse, the losses are expressed in decibels which can be confusing until you become familiar. A loss of 3 decibels means you lost 50%. A loss of 6 decibels means you lost 75%. Every coax company has charts that show us how much loss they have at a particular frequency, usually for 100 feet or 100 meters. Be careful not to compare the two. A meter is more than three feet. Losses increase with length as well but that’s a linear relationship: twice as long equals twice the losses if the frequency is the same. Most of us find a calculator online to calculate the losses at the exact frequency and length of the type of cable you’re looking at. Just google “coax loss calculator“ and you’ll find one. This is the most common one: https://kv5r.com/ham-radio/coax-loss-calculator/ WRUU653 1 Quote
TNFrank Posted 13 hours ago Report Posted 13 hours ago LOL, test questions, yep, I know. A lot of stuff I learned in Tech School at DeVry is coming in handy now. Also, that's one reason I'm sticking at 2M, it's the lowest my radio will do and there's quite a few repeaters here for 2M. I'll need to see just how far from the tripod I'll actually be and see how close I can cut the distance. SteveShannon 1 Quote
TNFrank Posted 13 hours ago Report Posted 13 hours ago https://www.amazon.com/MOOKEERF-KMR400-PL259-Male-Cable/dp/B094D3DFG3 There's also a KMR400 cable too. Quote
SteveShannon Posted 13 hours ago Report Posted 13 hours ago 5 minutes ago, TNFrank said: https://www.amazon.com/MOOKEERF-KMR400-PL259-Male-Cable/dp/B094D3DFG3 There's also a KMR400 cable too. Personally I wouldn’t use either one of those. I would buy a better known brand such as ABR, M&P, DX Engineering, Times-Microwave, Belden, etc. The way to make certain you’re getting a quality product is to buy from a vendor you trust to provide quality products. If you buy an unknown cable from an unknown vendor on Amazon you’re completely responsible for assessing the quality. WRUU653 1 Quote
WRUU653 Posted 11 hours ago Report Posted 11 hours ago 2 hours ago, SteveShannon said: Personally I wouldn’t use either one of those. I would buy a better known brand such as ABR, M&P, DX Engineering, Times-Microwave, Belden, etc. The way to make certain you’re getting a quality product is to buy from a vendor you trust to provide quality products. If you buy an unknown cable from an unknown vendor on Amazon you’re completely responsible for assessing the quality. This ^^^ I would add also that a lot of people assume Amazon will be the cheapest but many things like radios, cable, antennas, and other things you’ll find are less from places like DX Engineering, Ham Radio Outlet, Gigaparts… it’s definitely worth shopping around and comparing from reputable places. Make sure you factor shipping cost though but sometimes you’ll find what you want is cheaper at one place over two or three others for whatever reason and it doesn’t always seem to be the same place that’s cheaper… just my two cents, that I saved lol. SteveShannon 1 Quote
Davichko5650 Posted 4 hours ago Report Posted 4 hours ago On 4/7/2025 at 10:05 AM, SteveShannon said: And Walmarts on the air! The best is still John Kruk of Yaesu's PPOTA. Porta Potties OTA. He has cups and T-Shirts etc. that he hands out to in person visitors at Ham Fests. SteveShannon 1 Quote
Davichko5650 Posted 4 hours ago Report Posted 4 hours ago Somehow posted the PPOTA reply twice. SteveShannon 1 Quote
WRYZ926 Posted 2 hours ago Report Posted 2 hours ago 13 hours ago, TNFrank said: What about 2M? I was under the impression that RG8x gave less signal loss across all frequencies. I'm still learning this stuff though. What would be better then, RG58? Also, I know shorter is better but I wanted enough length to get the antenna out and away from any tables I'd be sitting at. You will not see any loss or gain on 2m using 25 feet of RG8X. You will see a loss of 1-2 watts ERP (output at the antenna) using 25 feet of RG58. You would be okay with either coax as long as you stay at 35 feet or less. This was figured using an antenna with only 1 dB of gain. The more gain the antenna has the higher the ERP will be. The https://kv5r.com/ham-radio/coax-loss-calculator/ is an excellent source to figure out line loss with the different types of coax. Using any type of portable J pole or similar antenna up high will help extend your range when using a hand held radio. I have built a 2m j pole using faraday cloth and getting it up at 20-25 feet above the ground made a vast improvement. I can get into the local 2m repeater that's 22.5 miles away with a 5 watt HT but there is some noise on my transmission. I was told that I sounded like I was on my base radio when using the same HT connected to the faraday j pole. TNFrank, WRUU653 and SteveShannon 3 Quote
TNFrank Posted 2 hours ago Report Posted 2 hours ago Awesome link, thanks. Looks like LMR-400 would work well. At 220MHz and 20ft@10W I'd only get a 26% power loss so I'd still be putting out over 7W of power. WRYZ926 1 Quote
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