Tariff Wars have begun

[WRYZ926]

1 minute ago, OffRoaderX said:

I'm rich!

Don't spend it all in one place or all at once. 

[Davichko5650]

15 minutes ago, WRYZ926 said:

Yeah them boofwengs are going to a gold mine 

Quick check on Temu today and all the BooFwangs listed have a "LOCAL" disclaimer under them - Tarriff beaters!

A couple years ago I found a website that had UV5R's for $6.12 per unit, shipping and customs duties included. Minimum lot of 1,000.  But I didn't see the need to have 1,000 of them.  Maybe I shoulda bit on that!

[WRUE951]

39 minutes ago, RIPPER238 said:

No so sure on those, but my Wouxon's should. 

yea, but them Boofwengs were pennies to the dollar..  much higher profit margin..  Honestly, i think i have 12 brand new unopened Boofwengs in my arsenals and 3 used Wouxon's.  .  

[WRUE951]

39 minutes ago, Davichko5650 said:

Quick check on Temu today and all the BooFwangs listed have a "LOCAL" disclaimer under them - Tarriff beaters!

A couple years ago I found a website that had UV5R's for $6.12 per unit, shipping and customs duties included. Minimum lot of 1,000.  But I didn't see the need to have 1,000 of them.  Maybe I shoulda bit on that!

there was a period about 1.5 years ago you could buy two for $30 bucks.   I bought a few, just because.  

[LeoG]

22 hours ago, WRUE951 said:

i just heard on the news, China is the leading manufacture of Antibiotics, providing 90% of our supply.  Kennedy has already made a deal with manufactures of vetenary antibiotics to produce human consumption antibiotics with no hiccups in our supply requirement's.  It sounds like this administration has covered some important bases.    

It was always a stupid idea to rely on other countries for vital things that we can produce ourselves.  Always comes down to greed and not need.  This and the next administrations need to follow through and make all vital products and services to be made in the US.  The huge transformers that are needed for the major parts of the grid are made overseas and take 2 years to get after you order them.  Does this seem like a good strategy?

[LeoG]

5 hours ago, Lscott said:

That reminds me. I've traveled extensively in the past for company business. In at least one country you could walk in and buy ampicillin, a powerful antibiotic,  over the counter. Even more shocking was how cheap it was.

My personal opinion is we pay such a high price here for our med's just so the drug companies can sell the same thing elsewhere cheaply as a foreign policy of the US.

We as Americans pay for the R&D of all the medications and the rest of the world get the real price without that added in along with the patent fees and such.  And if this isn't specifically true it certainly seems as if it is.  I would think it should be the other way around where the American companies would give it's own citizens the deals and hike the prices on other countries to make up the difference.

[WRUE951]

10 minutes ago, LeoG said:

It was always a stupid idea to rely on other countries for vital things that we can produce ourselves.  Always comes down to greed and not need.  This and the next administrations need to follow through and make all vital products and services to be made in the US.  The huge transformers that are needed for the major parts of the grid are made overseas and take 2 years to get after you order them.  Does this seem like a good strategy?

agreed, 100%

[WSHH887]

The whole balance of trade/tariffs thing was caused by only one thing. Americans forgot. 
 

They forgot that we won WWII because we were an industrial and military powerhouse. We supplied ourselves and our allies with the majority of men and materials to fight the war. And in forgetting we gave that advantage to our enemies. 
 

We won because we could, not necessarily produce the "best" tank/airplane/etc., but because we could produce more and faster. And as the war dragged on our allies were less able to provide what was needed themselves. All the while we produced more and more and more. 
 

Short of nuclear/biological war we would loose any protracted war  and for exactly the same reasons the Axis lost WWII.
 

If we don't increase our manufacturing capability BEFORE war comes (and it always has) we will have to rely on the kindness of our enemies much as Japan and Germany did. And I doubt they will be as kind. Remember, never in the history of the world, have defeated enemies be treated so well and aided in reconstruction as after WWII. 

[WRTC928]

2 hours ago, WRUE951 said:

i think i have 12 brand new unopened Boofwengs in my arsenals and 3 used Wouxon's.  .  

I have 6 new unopened AR-5RMs on standby.

[WRUE951]

13 minutes ago, WRTC928 said:

I have 6 new unopened AR-5RMs on standby.

Hell if i can double my money, i sell em on Ebay..   

[WRTC928]

19 minutes ago, WSHH887 said:

We won because we could, not necessarily produce the "best" tank/airplane/etc., but because we could produce more and faster.

The Tiger II is widely acknowledged to have been the best tank of WW2. The Germans built 1,347 of them. The Sherman was a "pretty good" tank. The US built 49,324 of them. As good as the Tiger was, it would never have been as good as 36 Shermans. Sometimes "good enough" in large numbers can provide the winning edge.

It's pretty hard for me to even wrap my head around the staggering production capacity of the US in WW2. At the end of the war, the US repurposed 57 aircraft carriers to return troops home from overseas. 57. Today, there are 50 aircraft carriers in the entire world. Yes, today's carriers are bigger and better, but the ones built in WW2 were technologically the best available at the time. The US made more than 15,000 P51 fighter aircraft during the war. Just that one type of fighter. 12,730 B17 bombers. It boggles the mind.

[LeoG]

59 minutes ago, WSHH887 said:

The whole balance of trade/tariffs thing was caused by only one thing. Americans forgot. 
 

They forgot that we won WWII because we were an industrial and military powerhouse. We supplied ourselves and our allies with the majority of men and materials to fight the war. And in forgetting we gave that advantage to our enemies. 
 

We won because we could, not necessarily produce the "best" tank/airplane/etc., but because we could produce more and faster. And as the war dragged on our allies were less able to provide what was needed themselves. All the while we produced more and more and more. 
 

Short of nuclear/biological war we would loose any protracted war  and for exactly the same reasons the Axis lost WWII.
 

If we don't increase our manufacturing capability BEFORE war comes (and it always has) we will have to rely on the kindness of our enemies much as Japan and Germany did. And I doubt they will be as kind. Remember, never in the history of the world, have defeated enemies be treated so well and aided in reconstruction as after WWII. 

I don't think the main reason is we forgot.  The main reason is profit and greed.  Environmental regulation here in the US is overwhelmingly expensive to deal with and over there they just don't care.  Along with cheap labor and govt subsidies providing benefits to those who export from overseas to the US.

 

[WRUE951]

2 minutes ago, LeoG said:

I don't think the main reason is we forgot.  The main reason is profit and greed.  Environmental regulation here in the US is overwhelmingly expensive to deal with and over there they just don't care.  Along with cheap labor and govt subsidies providing benefits to those who export from overseas to the US.

 

i'm pretty sure our trade unbalance is mostly  due with past administrations  

[Lscott]

1 hour ago, LeoG said:

Does this seem like a good strategy?

It does to the bean counters, that is until it fails and you need one desperately.

I've seen this happen with customers of our company and spare parts. Recommend they buy spares when they purchased the equipment, but NO when the bean counters saw the price tag.

The customer didn't have a critical circuit board in their spares and couldn't wait to have one sent next day AM delivery by FedEx a few years later when there was a problem. So what did they do? The paid for a private Jet to take JUST ONE one circuit board on a 500 mile ride. The Jet was at the local regional airport close to our office. Believe it or not they did this twice! I was sitting on the plane in the seat next to the the circuit board was occupying the second time to install and test it out in the machine. Sad.

[LeoG]

Didn't know we were talking about the trade imbalance.  That happens because of protectionism of other countries.  It's harder to get into other countries import system than it is to get into the US system and their tariffs are usually much higher than when they sell into our country.

[LeoG]

1 minute ago, Lscott said:

It does to the bean counters, that is until it fails and you need one desperately.

I've seen this happen with customers of our company and spare parts. Recommend they buy spares when they purchased the equipment, but NO when the bean counters saw the price tag.

The customer didn't have a critical circuit board in their spares and couldn't wait to have one sent next day AM delivery by FedEx. So what did they do? The paid for a private Jet to take JUST ONE one circuit board on a 500 mile ride. The Jet was at the local regional airport close to our office. Believe it or not they did this twice! I was sitting on the plane in the seat next to the the circuit board was occupying the second time to install and test it out in the machine. Sad.

When you only look at one aspect of the equation ($$) you are bound to get screwed in other ways.

[SteveShannon]

37 minutes ago, LeoG said:

I don't think the main reason is we forgot.  The main reason is profit and greed.  Environmental regulation here in the US is overwhelmingly expensive to deal with and over there they just don't care.  Along with cheap labor and govt subsidies providing benefits to those who export from overseas to the US.

 

I’m sure you have heard that 20% of the people hold 80% of the wealth or some such internet statistic. The concept is basically true that a very small number of people make much more money than the vast majority of people. That majority of people have a higher standard of living as the direct result of inexpensive goods. For instance GMRS radios. If manufacturing of GMRS radios moves “onshore” the price is bound to go up significantly. The number of people who can buy radios will decrease. That’s not beneficial to the manufacturers at all. Accessibility to cheap radios greatly increased their potential customer base. 
Tariffs will result in a lower standard of living for many people. Yes, military equipment should be manufactured either in the USA or by a trusted trade partner who can be relied upon in the event of war. Unfortunately, the USA just simultaneously pissed in the cheerios of our trading partners and increased the likelihood of war. 

[WRXL702]

Folks Need To Remember / Research NAFTA, & How It Has Miserably Failed......

Originally Drafted In The Late 70's & Only Major Corps & Investors Benefitted. 

NAFTA Destroyed US Manufacturing...........
 

[CaptainSarcastic]

There's been a lot of "kicking the can down the road" over the past few decades and letting the next administration worry about it because the focus is usually on reelection and mid-terms rather than making the US self-reliant. And then the term "American Exceptionalism" became bad...SMH

[LeoG]

37 minutes ago, WRXL702 said:

Folks Need To Remember / Research NAFTA, & How It Has Miserably Failed......

Originally Drafted In The Late 70's & Only Major Corps & Investors Benefitted. 

NAFTA Destroyed US Manufacturing...........
 

Like a big sucking sound....

[LeoG]

37 minutes ago, CaptainSarcastic said:

There's been a lot of "kicking the can down the road" over the past few decades and letting the next administration worry about it because the focus is usually on reelection and mid-terms rather than making the US self-reliant. And then the term "American Exceptionalism" became bad...SMH

One of the worst part of our political system is playing only to the next election.  Never thinking about 10-50 years down the line.  Just 2, 4 and 6 years at the very best which is far short from keeping a country viable.

And it's sickening that right after an election within weeks they are always talking about their next election.

[LeoG]

[CaptainSarcastic]

1 hour ago, LeoG said:

One of the worst part of our political system is playing only to the next election.  Never thinking about 10-50 years down the line.  Just 2, 4 and 6 years at the very best which is far short from keeping a country viable.

And it's sickening that right after an election within weeks they are always talking about their next election.

Term Limits would help to deter some of that behavior.

[WRUE951]

3 minutes ago, CaptainSarcastic said:

Term Limits would help to deter some of that behavior.

Yup,, always talked about but we will never see that reality.    

[CaptainSarcastic]

Just now, WRUE951 said:

Yup,, always talked about but we will never see that reality.    

You got that right. It's very difficult to become a multimillionaire on a salary of 150K in 2 years...gotta make it a career!