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I just went back and did a search under FCC part 95 R&Rs section B the bandwidth requirement for FRS/ GMRS channels. I'm not ashamed to admit that I was wrong about the bandwidth. However, I was correct about transmitting power, channels 08 through 14 are limited to 1/2-watt = 0.5mw ERP. That's something you can say that I'm wrong about that. As far as the repeaters channel spacing requirements, someone goofed up 95 Section E. Either the FCC or the Radio manufacturers has made an error the majority the radios already out there. According to the FCC the repeater channel spacing is listed at 20.0k where manufacturers, such as BTECH MIDLAND or MOTOROLA has their radios set for 25.0k. Don't tell that I don't know what I am talking about, because I do, do my homework when it comes to radios or other things that I'm interested in.
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On 5/10/2023 at 6:20 PM, KAF6045 said:
As of 2017 reorganization, there are NO "FRS/GMRS" radios. The radio is EITHER FRS or GMRS, based upon features.
There are no FRS mobiles (the antenna would have to be part of the radio box itself).
FRS is NFM only. FRS is FIXED antenna, 2W MAX on 1-7/15-22 and 0.5W ERP on 8-14
GMRS is (w)FM (but many may be switched to NFM, and some Midland mobiles are only NFM). GMRS allows for interchangeable antennas. It is 5W max on 1-7, 50W max on 15-22 (and repeater 15rp-22rp/23-30 depending on radio), it also gained 8-14 at 0.5W ERP (which really conflicts with the interchangeable antenna capability). 8-14 would be permissible on a mobile IF it had a 0.5W capability and only a unity gain antenna.
Ok What Ever you said, I wasn't entirely missed informed. Hey, I read the FCC Part 95 rules and regulations, so maybe you see something that have I overlooked. However, I know for sure that I am correct in regard to channels 08 through 14 are narrow band and limited to 1/2-watt ERP. Don't tell me that I'm wrong, because I know what I have read, so you can't say that I entirely wrong, just I won't say you're entirely correct.
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On 5/8/2023 at 1:28 AM, WRWI348 said:
Hello. Sort-of Newby here. Ive participated in a few check in nets but in order to get a good connection with one ofthose specific repeaters I have have go out of my way to travel outside of city limits, the other net I've participated in, it was told that my signal was loud and clear, but most other participants were awfully far away and the signals I was receiving were awful. Not too terribly far from my house is a great repeater that covers a nice area of my city. I have permission to operate on said repeater, but there's been almost no traffic for months, other than two instances I was able to hear transmissions. My question is, how does one go about creating a local net? Is it as simple as hopping on the frequency every Monday afternoon and simply declaring "Welcome to this repeaters new net, we are now taking check ins from yadda yadda..." or rather is this something I should contact the repeater owner about, find people in the local area to create a communications group before bringing the net on air for the first time? What have your experiences been?
Welcome to wonderful world of Radio Communication! Obviously, you obtained your GMRS license for reason other than emergencies. Don't be afraid to ask questions, because that how you gain knowledge.
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On 4/8/2023 at 8:45 PM, WRWP775 said:
To me, one of the advantages of GMRS is avoiding FRS congestion at campgrounds, parks, etc. If I have learned/read this correctly, the first 22 channels are shared between FRS/GMRS with the only difference being GMRS may use higher power on those channels.
I have nothing against FRS users, but I'd like to limit interference without having to mess around with CTCSS, DTCS codes, polarity, etc. when programming my radios for the family.
So, I believe (and would like to confirm with the brain trust here) that with my GMRS license I may use repeater channels 23 through 30 as simplex only channels, without having to go through a repeater. That's my understanding from reading GMRS rules online.
Thanks.
John / WRWP775 / K6JJG
01 through 07 FRS / GMRS 2 watts ERP Handhelds or Mobiles
08 through 14 FRS ONLY 1/2watt ERP Handhelds Only
15 through 22 FRS / GMRS 5 watts Handhelds or Mobiles23 through 30 GMRS ONLY HT 5watts, Mobiles 25 to 50 watts, Repeaters 25 to 50 watts
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22 hours ago, Lscott said:
By transmitting on the repeater output frequencies. If they’re near by your location they can jam the frequency.
That's what I was trying to say!
Thank You !
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8 minutes ago, Sshannon said:
How do they cause problems for repeater owners? FRS radios are blocked from transmitting on the 467 main channels that are the repeater inputs.
GOOD POINT! Yep, I put my foot in my mouth again. I apologize
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On 4/14/2023 at 4:41 PM, PartsMan said:
I do think it is crappy of the FCC to let FRS on all 22 channels.
They should have some of their own, us have some of our own, and a few overlapping.
I hear what you're saying. The majority of them bubble pack radios do cause headaches for a lot of repeaters owners and trustees, especially when you families that use them to keep track of their children. Then there's the kid playing with them and not thinking about what doing. And they don't understand that their conversation is being heard by everyone on that channel.
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22 hours ago, JimInHelotes said:
Recent long range traveler, and I got ideas from my experience.
- as a traveler, i wish that there was a light-weight, reliable resource to find linked networks in metro areas like San Antonio has.
- I wish there was a geo-oriented directory of GMRS info, organized as I-10, I-25, or I-95, for instance.
- I wish there was a national 'road' channel, such as 19 or 22, or ANYthing.
Just my thoughts. 73s if we were hams, but cheers if we are not.
JimInHelotes
You know if you ever travel through Philadelphia PA / Camden NJ area, on 462.575 I don't know how many tones, but the one individual think he's high and mighty. Be careful, stay clear from that repeater.
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I wanted say more now that I own 2 BTECH GMRS PRO. Sure there's gone to be some flaws, but overall, it's a simple radio to program and use. The BTECH GMRS PRO would even be more useful if a mobile version comes out. Especially for large events, such MS 150 City to Shore, that's if all volunteers have a GMRS license.
I can't wait for BTECH to come out with an Amateur Radio UHF / VHF version. Hopefully, BTECH would include DMR or NXDN this way I could or any Amateur Radio Operator could also monitor railroads or other services.
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On 4/22/2023 at 2:23 PM, WRUU653 said:
You might have to wire it in to the 12 battery but it would be perfect for this vehicle
$199.99 on Amazon. Get the grandkids started early 
I remember back in late 1970's early 80's, I had POWERWHEELS motorcycle, but I did not appreciate, because it did not have a workable 2 way radio. POWERWHEELS could have put a 49mhz radio with a portable for Mom Dad or Older siblings to communicate as they were on road.
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On 4/22/2023 at 4:09 PM, WRUU653 said:
No apology necessary, I just thought I’d point out the answer was there. Not like I’ve never missed something in a post
I guess I shouldn't apologize for being too quick on the comments. You can say that folks from Philadelphia Pennsylvania don't always look before they leap. Ha Ha! Seriously, I sometimes don't read the entire post or I confused about what I have read. But I do try to stay on subject / topic.
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20 hours ago, WRUU653 said:
You may want to look a the first reply in the thread. You’re right about not seeing it anytime soon but the reason is it’s not allowed. FRS is hand held only as well as a fixed antenna.
I guess I wasn't reading the entire post, which I thought I understood what I read. I apologize for putting my 2 cents without reading the entire post.
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This topic about FRS mobiles not FRS / GMRS, but Family Radio Service Mobiles I guess the individual who was asking if any exist. I believe another individual has answered their question. As far as newer FRS mobile, I haven't seen any. I doubt that manufactures, such as Midland or Motorola will produce one. I take that back Midland may, but the FCC has to approve remove able antennas, which I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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On 4/8/2023 at 8:45 PM, WRWP775 said:
To me, one of the advantages of GMRS is avoiding FRS congestion at campgrounds, parks, etc. If I have learned/read this correctly, the first 22 channels are shared between FRS/GMRS with the only difference being GMRS may use higher power on those channels.
I have nothing against FRS users, but I'd like to limit interference without having to mess around with CTCSS, DTCS codes, polarity, etc. when programming my radios for the family.
So I believe (and would like to confirm with the brain trust here) that with my GMRS license I may use repeater channels 23 through 30 as simplex only channels, without having to go through a repeater. That's my understanding from reading GMRS rules online.
Thanks.
John / WRWP775 / K6JJG
LISTEN TO YOURSELF! You're going have interference no matter what you have. True you may not have as much problems using a repeater, but as long as radios have PL tones and some will scan and lock on, you can still find folks talking on those frequencies even on simplex.
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What's there to misunderstand, very little. Licenses that were issued prior to 1987 are grandfathered. Meaning they can still use the GMRS frequencies for commercial use. I doubt that there are businesses out there with GMRS licenses, but you never know. I guess the Town Watch that I was a member of were bending the rules and regulations when we went from CB to GMRS in 1993. Only two board members were licensed, and we piggybacked off of their licenses. Plus the radios we had were YAESU FTH 7008,which I'm sure were Part 90 Typed Accepted.
I confused when the FCC changed the channel allocations. I knew GMRS was simplex and repeaters. I thought the FCC add
464.5000 / 469.5000
464.5500 / 469.5500
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On 3/18/2023 at 10:29 AM, davidotoole said:
While reviewing the GMRS and FRS rules for my project I made a spreadsheet with all the relevant regulations so that I can see everything at a glance. I thought I would post it here in case anyone finds it useful, although I cannot promise that there are no errors. Perhaps someone knowledgeable could look it over and correct me! If you have time.
GMRS and FRS radio regulations matrix (1).xlsx 54.14 kB · 17 downloads GMRS and FRS radio regulations matrix - Google Sheets.pdf 28.56 kB · 10 downloads
A lot of radio manufacturers have made small errors on channel spacing especially on the BTECH GMRS PRO. It's impossible to get Channels 1 through 7 and 15 through 22 on 20.0khz. They will only do 25.0khz. which technically is off by 5khz from what I see in the FCC Part 95E. Channels 8 through 14 are the ones that meet FCC requirements for narrow band.
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22 hours ago, WRWR462 said:
I was only explaining my reasoning for GMRS and not Ham.. there's no need for this..
I've seen families in my area use FRS ht for their kids with little success since they're limited in power. So, my idea is cheap GMRS ht's like a UV-5G and a rptr for the community, mostly for parents that dont want to buy their kid cell phones. Ham would not cover the kid away from the licensed like a GMRS would.
I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me, but I'm confused. I didn't mean to confuse you, I was just stating some facts. I really can see why parents don't want allow their children to have cell phones, but FRS only has limited range in most areas. Finding an open GMRS repeater sometimes can be hard, but just like the FRS, simplex range varies on GMRS Handhelds.
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3 hours ago, WRWR462 said:
I plan on getting a ham license as well, I joined a local amateur group so I will eventually have both. But I wanted to get something set up for local GMRS, being that a GMRS license covers immediate family and Ham doesn't. It's more enticing for local communities.
I already knew that Amateur Radio Licenses only covers the Licensee and not family members If I wasn't aware of that, I wouldn't be a Volunteer Examiner. The only way to have a friend or family member who doesn't have a license under your license, you must physically be present supervising the person.
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Having an Amateur Radio License and a GMRS License is Great. After all everyone who are involved in Volunteer Public Service, should be able for non-Hams. Even individuals who don't have either license. No matter what if you're working a PSE or working a large-scale emergency relief, it's a excellent idea to have both.
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On 3/15/2023 at 5:54 PM, WRWM850 said:
Hello!
Just got my GMRS license this last week, I am in Spokane WA. I'm really excited to start using radio.
I'm going to try to use a local repeater soon, is there a way to transmit to myself to test if its its working? (by working I mean me properly using the repeater)
I'm currently looking at radio option for an upgrade but at the moment I only have a baofang, I hear they have trouble with repeaters any suggestions?
I maybe too late to put my two cents in, but welcome to the hobby. Please I don't mean to sound stupid or far out in left field, because I try very to stay up to date with topics relating radio communications. If I were in the market looking Radios for GMRS equipment, I would steer clear of BAOFENG UV-5R due to the audio output and its overall construction. Of course, shopping around for GMRS is easier Today than 30 or 40 years ago. Up till now, if you wanted to use repeaters, you would have to buy a used or surplus commercial Part 90 radio, which today Midland and WOUXUN as well as BTECH has bridge the gap with putting out Part 95 E certified or typed accepted equipment.
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I'm not sure whether it was a week ago or two weeks ago, but I heard some chatter on one of the MURS channels. I know that it wasn't Walmart or other commercial users.
It sounded great to hear some users other than commercial establishments make use of those channels. I know groups, such as NARCOA add those as extra channels to keep unwanted traffic off of their primary channels.
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3 hours ago, Sshannon said:
I thought the “and” in this sentence meant that you understood why the amateur radio exam is necessary. I think you were just the victim of a poor choice of phrase. No harm done.
Thank You!
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2 minutes ago, BoxCar said:
The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. The ongoing debate is which is the more common.
You can say that in just about anything in life. I didn't mean deviate from the subject, but I guess you know what I was saying. I'll do my best not to sound like an uneducated individual, because that's not my intentions.
73
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On 3/12/2023 at 9:44 PM, WRKC935 said:
I wonder if they are a hold over from back in the day when there were business licenses and non-family members could operate under the group license. If that is the case, they wouldn't be required to ID as long as the repeater was IDing for them. It would all be under one license.
As far as requiring a test, fee's or any of that. It depends on how it's structured. If you are 'paying' to be a member of the group and one of the perks of being a member is repeater access, then it's probably OK. But I will not go any deeper than that.
To the testing. You are joining a group. The group can have any sort of requirement for membership they want to have. They can also limit the conversation topics to whatever they want on the groups repeater. So that's a decision that you are gonna need to make for you.
You know, you're absolutely right. There are more individuals that drive on the streets and highways that haven't figured out what Turn Signals are used for. Some of those same drivers drive through railroad grade crossings while the gates are down, and the train is only seconds away from passing.
Avoiding FRS channels
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Oh Ok !
I apologize I made a slight error or completely way out there as if I don't know anything about radios or anything else.
Sorry !