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1 minute ago, Sshannon said:
Why then would you pose the question in a forum, which by definition is populated by random internet people?
Nokones posted an amusing reply, to which I thought it would be humorous to respond in kind. I think you are reading things too seriously...
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3 minutes ago, nokones said:
No problem, it's your faith and you can have all the faith you want or not want in this matter. It's a freedom of choice.
Thank you again, sir, for giving me permission to exercise such freedom. I hadn't thought I would meet such a generous random individual so quickly on a random internet forum. I am forever in your debt.
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4 hours ago, OffRoaderX said:
More lies perpetrated by the Sad-H.A.M. cartels.
This claim appears prima facie to be more believable than the claim that roger beeps confuse repeaters.
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2 hours ago, marcspaz said:
Someone actually turned my transmitter off on one of my repeaters last year. They were using DTMF 1111 as a quick burst preamble and that was the default combination for the disable command on the repeater. I also had someone have a DTMF code setup as a roger beep and coincidentally happened to be the same combination I made up to stun the repeater. I had to drive to the repeater site to reset it on the panel.
I admit I'm so ignorant and new at radios, I have no idea what DTMF 1111 or quick burst means. But I suspect that neither of these things would be default settings, or that anyone would set their radio up to do this by simply going to the roger beep setting and selecting "on", is that correct?
In other words, telling people to turn off their roger beep wouldn't prevent someone doing the above, right?
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14 minutes ago, nokones said:
Let me check my notes for the specific dates and times and of course the exact details and I'll get back to you as quickly as I can.
Dear sir, please forgive me for not immediately having full faith and confidence in a random claim from a random internet person. Respectfully submitted.
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2 hours ago, nokones said:
It is my understanding that the "Roger Beep" tone(s) will and have interfered with the control of some Linked Repeater Links.
Do you know of a particular incident and what specifically happened?
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2 hours ago, WRXP381 said:
No roger peeps do not confuse repeaters. Repeaters use sun audible signals no where near a river beep. But many repeater owners ask them to be turned off. Can you imagine a busy repeater with 200 people all using roger beeps all day. Most people I talk to consider roger beeps as a sign of being a Rookie with a Bubble back radio from Walmart. Or a jerk who wants to annoy people. As already stated they have a purpose but it’s not for every day all day use.
I have a 30' comet antenna in a large metro area that I put up a few weeks ago and I typically have my radio on scan all day long and other than repeater traffic I pick up FRS traffic all day long. All of them have roger beeps, I hear it all day long all the time and it doesn't bother me at all. If I had any opinion at all, it would be confusion over why people get so hot and bothered by it.
I also understand "my repeater my rules". It's all good, but my BS meter went thru the roof when I heard the "roger beep confuses the repeater" claim.
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2 hours ago, marcspaz said:
Do roger beeps confuse repeaters? My opinion... it's possible. Depends on the controller. Most repeaters have a controller for remote control (required by our overlords at the FCC to be 'in control' of the repeater at all times). Many of the modern controllers use digital signals for remote function, but near all of them still have analog function, typically done with DTMF codes.
Depending on what your roger beep sounds like, you could risk partially triggering a remote command, putting the repeater in an unknown state, making it so the owner or admins can't manage it. Then they need to drive to the repeater site and either reboot the controller or the repeater.
That said, I think the number one reason is because a good portion of the people listening, including the owners, don't want to hear a stead stream of beeping all day on the repeater. It gets pretty annoying and people clearly have no idea what a roger beep is for... which is to send a quick blip to acknowledge the previously receive transmission without actually saying anything. Especially for conditions when the two stations are on the fringes of their range and voice comms are difficult. It was never intended to be used on every transmission. Though, Sad Hams will tell you a different story.
Interesting, thanks. Have you ever heard of such an incident ever actually occurring? It sounds like what you're saying is that a roger beep will impact a repeater about as often as the planets align, right?
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I've heard this claim (roger beeps confuse the repeater) multiple times now as a way to justify telling other people to turn off their roger beep.
I know nothing about radios, nor do I care about roger beeps, but it seems unlikely to me that manufacturers of repeater radios are so incompetent as to be incapable of making their repeater in such a way as to not get confused by this nearly ubiquitous and simple feature.
Am I wrong?
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7 hours ago, marcspaz said:
Part of me thinks Reverse Tone Squelch and Tone Lockout would be great features to include in a GMRS radio. Another part of me thinks that the whole KISS principle for the general consumer market is not a bad idea, either.
Now that you mention it, I only got radios for backup comms, and the simplicity of GMRS was 100 percent the reason I went this route. But now that I have a 30' comet antenna and I'm picking up tons of traffic, I guess I'm falling down what they call "the rabbit hole".
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13 hours ago, Sshannon said:
It is feasible. The feature is called lockout. Unfortunately no retail GMRS radios that I know of have it, but scanners and some commercial radios have it.
Yeah that makes sense. I figured since I couldn't find any such feature on my radios, it probably wasn't one that is offered. Figured it was worth asking though as I'm in a large metro area with a 30' comet antenna so I pick up lots of traffic (I'm guessing most gmrs folks don't have my problem lol). Thanks for the feedback!
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3 hours ago, WRXP381 said:
No. On simplex you will hear everything.
To be clear, are you saying that no GMRS radio offers this feature?
I would think that it's feasible to do, but whether such a feature is actually offered (or whether there is a roundabout way to get there) is what I'm trying to determine.
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4 hours ago, WRXP381 said:
I’ve heard it all. In any given day of travel I’ll be on 10-12 different repeaters and I am a member of a few different nets in my area. I’ve heard all types of people and all types of conversations. It’s just the nature of the beast. Most gmrs guys don’t like to heard 10codes or other codes. Personally I’ve used all types of codes in my 30years of radio and none of it has been on cb. I personally think that every one should learn so when comms are bad you can relay info quickly with little to no mis understanding. Maybe try a different repeater? Or get a bunch of like minded guys together and make your own closed repeater and a club.
Yeah I've got several different repeaters in range and none of the drama yet on any of those. I mostly find it humorous, but at the same time it did surprise me and definitely discourages my interest in chatting on that particular one, lol
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2 hours ago, WRUU653 said:
This sounds like jesting, sarcasm between friends on the surface. My take anyway.
Not a direct quote. It's my paraphrase for how these guys sound to any other mature, reasonable adult. They were 100 percent serious, lol.
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I know this is radio dependent: is it common to be able to filter out incoming transmissions that have one specific DCS code while still hearing all others?
So for example, if a repeater on channel 16/24 (frequency 462.575) has input and output code of 123N, can I set up channel 16 to receive all BUT the repeater traffic (which has code 123N)?
I know I can set up to receive only code 123N, but can I receive all BUT that code?
Essentially I'm wanting to have repeater only traffic audible on channel 24 and everything BUT repeater traffic on channel 16. I got a lot of repeaters in the area so it would just be nice to be able to distinguish the traffic (more for curiosity's sake than anything else).
I have Radioditty DB20-G's and Baofeng UV-GR's but I haven't figured this out yet since I'm guessing it's not doable? Maybe there's a way to do this without utilizing the DCS code?
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I'm a seasoned GMRS licensee of about 1 month and after listening in on one of my local repeaters (it's linked and has quite a bit of traffic most days), I've got to say that the man-child drama that I've heard has probably discouraged me from joining in on any convo.
I admit that I got started only for backup comms, not to jaw-jack on a repeater.
That said, I haven't even listened super often, but I've already heard 3 separate incidents where someone didn't like the manner in which someone else was talking and tried to intimidate them into doing something different, one of these came to each party threatening to get their attorneys involved.
"How dare you use CB lingo where my ears can hear it! Imma get my attorney on you!"
Is this normal? These guys sound like 10 year old boys fighting over their walkie talkies.
Please tell me I didn't join a cult LOL.
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Thanks for the feedback, as well as a couple suggestions that I hadn't considered (rain drip will already be there just because that's the best path for the cable but not sure if I would have thought of that till it rained, lol). Thanks all.
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Who wants to ROAST/critique my home station setup plans? I would love any constructive criticism before purchasing and setting everything up if anyone feels the need to give me a good roast, lol.
Here's the plan:
- Radioditty 20W DB20-G <-- I have an extra one, so I'm not willing to buy another radio at the moment; but of course, feel free to criticize regardless, lol
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Comet CA-712EFC Commercial/GMRS UHF Base Vertical Antenna
- This will be mounted on two 10' fence top rails with base of antenna at approximately 20' in the air
- https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/cma-ca-712efc#overview
- 10' LMR-400 N-type cable from antenna to attic vent
- Cable in #3 above will connect to lightning arrester at attic vent
- 30' LMR-400 N-type cable from lightning arrester, into attic vent, thru ceiling and down to workdesk
- Type N to UHF adapter to connect to radio
- Lastly, one ground wire from lightning arrester to grounding rod, and another ground wire from top of mast to grounding rod
Not really concerned with the method that I'll be affixing/securing the mast or details concerning grounding, just curious if folks have opinions on the antenna/radio/wiring.
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6 hours ago, WRKC935 said:
One option is Zello or one of the similar applications that link a radio to the internet for remote operation.
You would need to run an app on your phone that would connect to your radio directly and allow you to operate it from the phone.
The cost for this sort of thing can be reasonable or expensive depending on how you interface it and what service you use.
I will not go into the specifics of it here but it's worth researching if you are wanting a solution that basically works anywhere you have phone or wifi service.
Interesting, thank you for this. Just glancing through Zello and it may very well be an option I explore in the future. Obviously more expensive than just a wireless transceiver/receiver, but with additional functionality that, so far as I can tell, can't be achieved with just a wireless transceiver/receiver type device. Thanks!
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Ok, after a little more looking, Bluetooth is not the answer: it has very short range, unlikely to get me into the next room at most.
For those with the same need as me, the below link is a wireless audio receiver/transceiver with 300ft range. This will allow me to monitor anywhere in the house:
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21 hours ago, WRYS709 said:
Do you just want to hear (monitor) the main db20-g? Or change channels? Or transmit?
Of course an HT would do all of these functions from room to room, but it would not be 20 watts and would not be connected to your external antenna.
As far as the bluetooth suggestion, the DB20-G does not have a K-1 connector; it is RJ-45. Miklor has a DIY K-1 to RJ-45 adapter, but that is for data purposes for CPS programming software use of an USB to K-1 cable.
Yeah, external antenna is the must-have factor (very flat here in Indianapolis, but after some testing, the range is still not great on the ground; got good reason to think that getting an antenna up 25-30 feet would vastly improve range).
Awesome, thanks for the link, looks super simple. Just googling around and found the below Bluetooth speaker/mic, but not seeing many others. Either of you guys have any experience with these bluetooth speaker/mics?
https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Bluetooth-Microphone-Compatible-Accessories/dp/B08NVN9J4J
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Howdy guys, I'm looking at putting in a gmrs base station at home (probably with a radioditty DB20-G).
Best place for the antenna is at the back of the house above the bedrooms, and I figure I'll just drop the cable straight down into my bedroom where I've already got a work desk.
However it would be nice to be able to listen and talk in other parts of the house as well, not have to always be in the back at the desk to use the station.
Are there any devices or setups you guys have heard of (presumably plugging something in to the mic and/or speaker jack) that would allow me to use the radio in other rooms?
Or would an entirely different radio with additional functionality be necessary?
Do roger beeps confuse repeaters?
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By the way, are you implying that you have full faith and confidence in all random claims on every internet forum you participate in?
Or do you instead use your reasoning and discussing abilities to separate believable from not so believable?