wayoverthere

While are there intricacies that can get in the way (cable loss, ht putting out less power than advertised, etc), it's definitely possible. My local repeaters (gmrs and 70cm) are around the 30 mile mark, and I can get in just fine on a 5 watt ht (varied brands) through a mag mounted antenna (Midland mount, browning 5/8 over 5/8 wave whip).

I'd love a confirmation from someone that's used the 905g, but given how it's above the 805 in features in pretty much every aspect, I can't see it being a problem. I know it can be done on the 805g via the software, as I have mine set with the base 30, 2 repeaters on .575 (ch 16), 1 on .625 (ch 18), and another set of repeater presets to use for travel.

Personally, I have a strong suspicion one big driving force is 'protecting the untested gmrs users from their own ignorance', with no though or knowledge that maybe some of those gmrs users are also licensed hams with a clue. I see both sides on that 779uv... the fcc wanting to keep the gmrs users in bounds without needing to know what they're doing, but I also see the dual licensed user wanting both services, and the only real point it doesn't meet unlocked is that rule about not being able to access services that don't require certification (ham)...with that in mind, I don't see the big issue for someone licensed in both services, as I agree the signal it puts out in gmrs bands is no different unlocked, but I'm also not the fcc. FCC has long left the part 90 issue as a grey area. Some people insist that those previously dual certified (90/95a) radios are now uncertified because they can access 70cm, though the actual wording in the regs just got amended to state they won't currently certify them, not that previous certifications are invalidated (and the 95e/90 door seems to still be open, on 450-512 splits, anyway, though most public safety has moved out of 70cm). Others opine that pushing past the 'out of band' warning in Kenwood software to use a dual cert radio in ham bands qualifies as a modification that negates the 95 certification. Lots of opinions, but grey areas in the regs. Overall, I'll do my best to encourage people to stick to the rules as they stand, as best I can understand them and be open to learning if I've misunderstood them. Past that, we all make our on choices on how much we're willing to push the lines.

Yeah, like most forums, the point does tend to wander after the initial couple posts or so. I think the first posts and the linked FCC doc provide the gist of the info to be had there, which is pretty much just an example of FCC actually taking some action on unapproved radios sold under another authorization, and a "manufacturer" selling radios programmed to operate outside the limitations they were approved under. Not an exact fit, since it was a manufacture provided setting rather than an end user change, and not any kind of "proof" that your position is incorrect, just a little more perspective.

If you go the RT97 route, retevis does offer a bundle with the repeater and a couple compatible ( handhelds for not much more than the cost of the repeater: https://www.retevis.com/mobile-gmrs-repeater-rt97-handheld-gmr-radio-rt76/ If you plan go a different route on handhelds though, there's also the option to support the site by buying through the site shop (depending when @rdunajewski is able to get more RT97's in), for the same price as most other sources. https://shop.mygmrs.com/

I think this would be a better example of fcc jumping in after the fact (link to the fcc enforcement proceeding is in the first post in the linked thread): https://forums.radioreference.com/threads/rugged-radios-finally-gets-an-fcc-smack-down.417060/

Good plan ? if we're being technical, none of the amps I've seen are approved for gmrs. I've been fighting the temptation to do an amp for the ham side though; been running with a handheld+mag mount antenna for a bit, while the radio intended for the truck is doing base duty. I didn't actually have luck receiving an adapter like the one linked (I think I tried "superbat" brand), though others have...mine got lost in the mail twice. Been using this cable instead, though most of my handhelds are sma-f, so this would need an additional adapter with the wouxun https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07CPVF1GG/ have also used this adapter kit https://www.amazon.com/SMA-UHF-Connectors-Nickel-Plated-Converter/dp/B01MQNJVMT/

Should be no problem to find an appropriate so239 to sma(m or f) adapter. Something like this: https://www.amazon.com/DHT-Electronics-Handheld-Antenna-Quasheng/dp/B00COKNKS8/

I wonder if the allotment just got used up in one or the other...it's interesting crossing paths with people that got licensed not long before or after, and seeing how far the "sequential" counter turned.

Can vouch they're now issuing KN* as sequential for Techs...got mine march of this year, kn6, but shortened it to k6 with a vanity request.

I'll trust you have something picked out for the handhelds that can receive those frequencies, then. As far as I know, the only 467.xxx channels the midlands receive are the "frs" low power (interstitial) channels.

So you're using 462.xxx as the input, and 467.xxx as the output?

The one comment I'll make is make sure the handhelds you have in mind are truly able to transmit on the repeater channels. Most of what are considered "bubble pack" don't have access to the repeater input frequencies (I know my midlands don't, but I know there may be exceptions). Outside of that, I don't see any glaring issues...if you have reasonably priced radios that cover the channels you need, good to go. I do wonder if it would be more cost effective to step up slightly above bubble packs to something like retevis or wouxun that can do repeaters natively and not have to mess with two radios, though.

seconding @Lscott that it's never too late. the fact of the license covering family is a great aspect of gmrs, making it easier to share the interest with the younger generations, giving that "connection" (both literal and figurative), and perhaps planting the seed of their future involvement in the radio hobby. likewise, a ton of directions you can go under the general heading of 'ham', be it morse, data, experimentation, or just the basic 2m/70cm voice modes. there's a ton of knowledge and help to be had here (for both services).

Not the one that made the decision, but I can make a semi educated guess on the main reason behind this...While the situation has gotten better in terms of things being standardized, some models/brands do not (or did not) follow the current "standard" channel/frequency mapping, so channel 15 on one radio may not be the same frequency as channel 15 on another brand. Another minor bonus is for those using something beyond the current off the shelf gear, such as some of the dual certified (90/95a) gear that doesn't come preprogrammed. (Edit: @axorlov posted while I was typing, and beat me to it on this part ?)

It rankled a bit but I broke down and bought the bracket for the body, and the plate/magnets for the control head. Definitely shop around, as the prices vary. There is a kit with both mounts (bracket/plate) for cheaper than buying each individually. I want to say I got mine from the antenna farm. That said, for actually holding the control head, it's currently on a magnetic phone mount suction cup mounted to my glass top desk. In the car I have a cupholder power supply with a gooseneck magnetic phone holder that should work perfectly.

I have a Midland 5/8 wave on a mag mount stuffed up in a closet mag mounted on an 8"x12" piece of sheet metal and it works fairly well, at least to a couple repeaters 30 and 60 miles out. A round pizza pan or a file cabinet will work; some swr testing I did the other day used the top of a chest freezer, though I didn't test range on that. Granted, indoors isn't the BEST situation, but it can work fine, depending on the building materials. Wood and drywall block a lot less than metal, concrete and radiant barrier.

On the second point, correct. If you're mostly planning on using the repeater, it may help to be on that channel when you go into scan. On the first, that will depend on your tone settings on the regular channel 15; if you have the same tone setting there as 15r, you'd only hear the repeater and any other signals carrying the same tone, so better odds it's the repeater you're hearing. Edit to add: if you have no tone set on regular 15, yes, you'll hear all signals in range strong enough to break squelch, repeater or simplex (think of tones as a filter).

To transmit to the repeater, yes, because the repeater listens on a different frequency than it transmits. On channel 15, for example, you both transmit and receive on 462.550 (known as simplex). on 15r, the transmit is on 467.550 (where the repeater is listening), and receive on 462.550 (duplex). Another aspect of Midland is that if you're in scan mode, and go to transmit, it remembers (and transmits on) the channel you were on before you went to scan mode. So if you were on 15r, and start scanning, if the scan stops on 15, you can key up and be already set for 15r. However, not so helpful if the scan stops on some other channel.

Trying remember how the scan on my 115 scans...I'll try to double check after work if I get a chance. That said, it would be less of an issue than it seems, as the repeater output frequencies for rp15-22 are the same as the simplex frequencies for 15-22, so the scan running over those should catch both simplex and repeater traffic.

Just wanted to drop a quick personal experience with FCC's processing timeframe. I checked online a couple different places ahead of my request to ensure it wasn't showing as applied or active or anything, and was compatible with my license class, then went ahead and threw in a vanity request while they're still free. Submitted 6/30, and showed up in the database this past monday, pretty much first business day after the 18 days were up. Nothin special, just shortening my existing call. (KN6NWW > K6NWW)

That's about how I read it too, so no worries.. .Maybe I've just gotten spoiled with some of the linked systems, both ham (local) and gmrs (via zello)...they seem to stay active pretty often, though I'm usually more listening than talking.

https://www.motorolasolutions.com/content/dam/msi/docs/products/two-way-radios/mototrbo/portable-radios/sl7000e/SL7000e_DataSheet.pdf Found the same spec sheet on Motorola's site, seems to say digital only, if I'm reading it right.

Did you take the 10 or the 40? I'm a little surprised there wasn't more to hear on the linked setups around Tucson on the 10, or Abq on the 40

I was surprised some of them aren't wiped as well. Of mine: The g7 evx539's were the ones that still had previous programming; looked to be a school district's digital system out of SE NY state; the channels included 3 elementary school names, and a couple each including "ms" and "hs" in the names, a couple that sounded like they could access the PA system, which makes me think some level of district admin. The vx4207 and vx924 were ostensibly NOS (and the packaging was consistent with this), so nothing programmed there. The p824 was wiped, everything showing 'unprogrammed'. I forget what was on the g6 evx539...I want to say it had been wiped als.