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I have a NEW Motorola M1225 for sale, in original box. Has been programmed but not used. With Mic, Bracket, Power. 25 watts, scan, 4 channel (will program for 4 repeaters and 4 t/a's with option button). Nice small radio, easier to install in newer vehicles. Motorola reliable. $100, you pay shipping. ##SOLD##

Just get both.

For thought...if you need to run that much coax, it would be worth it to buy something like a Motorola Desktrac with tone remote capability. Mount the radio in the attic or silo and run a short coax to the antenna, then a CAT5 from the radio to a tone remote. Now you have Base Station!

I had to look up a chart...because in my 30 years with radio I never saw 69.3 used. I find it on all the 50 tone charts, but it's not one of the original 38. We avoided 67.0 and 118.8 due to 60hz interference from AC power. I would speculate that it is not in the radio because it is in not one of the original standard 38 or there was something in the original radio design that didn't like 69.3. It's possible the decoder is not accurate enough for narrowly spaced tones (selection). That doesn't help your case, sorry. I personally use DPL on my repeater because for many years, only an expensive radio would do DPL and most people didn't have them, thus my intrusion risk was low. Still is actually.

I have heard this sort of thing a lot too, for years. People seem like don't have a clue as to how someone else would hear them on the little radios they bought at (insert store name here), even though it's a mass produced product. No one wants to read anything or ask...then they think it's "private". I have told the tale of a medical facility doing this locally where I am. It took me IDing a repeater every 15 minutes on the PL they were using to get them off of it. This was before the rules would actually allow a business on a main channel at 2 watts, which is a bad thing, now we can't tell who is legal and who is not on the mains, because if they don't ID, you can't tell if they are 2 watts or 5. Crazy world.

Sounds like he found a self appointed and knowledge lacking radio cop. I have been in radio for close to 30 years, had GMRS forever, worked in commercial service, just got my HAM license a couple weeks ago. I've been in no hurry to chat, but I did ask the local radio club President, whom I personally know, about "closed" repeaters, or any special courtesies, etc. He said if the repeater is listed (online as such...Repeater Book, etc) then it is open, and that locally things were cooperative and normal. They are trying to get more Hams licensed and build up the hobby. I did remember what a Ham told me years ago...out of courtesy, if you are going to use a club repeater much, join the club because repeaters and electricity aren't free. As far as remembering call signs...I applied for a vanity because I'll be lucky to remember my own! And, I have listened alot, and now and then someone comes on, ID's and asks if "xyz" is on...or simply by first name...and usually says "I can't remember your call". I know no rule or manner that suggests that is wrong. I agree though, if that is an individuals repeater, don't use it. Maybe eventually no one will talk to him. Get with the club and put up your own.

Pictures when you are done! Folks love to see a good install.

TX +5MHz.... not 5KHz.

I would agree that they are not too worried about making them fully inter-compatible with legacy radios and setups in the wild now. I can see why, but there are some people who are about GMRS (die hard) that would like to try the products on their repeaters to attract more users who don't want to feel like they need a degree in radio to get in. I was told by a Midland rep, the wideband, and Split tone issue would be addressed this year in product updates. I'll be the blue boy in the corner now.

My experience is that now more than ever, you're likely to hear a business using FRS radios bought at Menards, Lowes, etc., or online on the GMRS mains, because they now can. Well, "they" don't know that they can, but the radios they are buying can. Also large chains, like Hotels, Restaurants, Sporting Goods stores, etc., know they can get away with it and avoid filing for a multi-site, multi-state licenses. In my area, I regularly hear a Hotel, several automotive related contractors, and a couple of stores use GMRS mains. With that being allowed license free under FRS, a GMRS licensee has no idea if they are legal or not when they don't ID. They could be under FRS (although a poor choice for business) and 2 watts, or running 5 watts on portables and no license. Kind of catch 22 for us licensees who paid to be legal. Many businesses will pay $10 for a Boafeng and not a couple hundred for a Motorola, if they know no one is going to do anything about it. I would say, thanks in part to off roaders groups and family owned agriculture, GMRS is gaining in popularity. I do hear a little real GMRS activity, but not what I would call alot. I have been licensed for 25 years.

Motorola shops still carry what I called a bare mount. It's RG58 and an NMO, with the ring, seal and either a PL259 or Mini UHF you can install after mounted. We used the same one for 30-470Mhz. They did at one time have a low loss mount which was a white coax with teflon in it's jacket, made it a little more stiff to install, but more resistant to cuts. I think it was primarily for 800Mhz but I used them at 450 before.

I managed an MSS years ago. I took some local city admin folks on a tour of our new facility we built. When walking through the garage a woman said "Oh dear they are drilling holes in that brand new car" (Crown Vic)....I said "No, Maam, they are installing antennas". It's not a hole in the roof if it has something installed in it. As above....Drill the hole!

I should have elaborated more...they are trying to pass one that allows cops to do whatever they please but the rest of us are not. Essentially we wouldn't be allowed to use a two way mic. But they can, type on a computer, text and eat hot dogs while they drive and that's ok. Nothing against the cops, most of them don't do that. It's politicians and leadership who are clueless. Although I was ran off the road by a cop who was texting, he ran off the opposite side (my side) too, managed to keep from wrecking, and then sped away.

Ohio is trying to sneak in a law that essentially only lets the cops text and drive (and wreck and kill you).

I'm 45 miles out myself, but I understand on the repeater listings. I emailed one of them weeks ago with a questions...no response. They leave their fancy call sign emails...but won't respond.

He seems a little touched...

I had about 15 channels logged on today on Zello...it was raining and cold, so I watched The Office and played on my phone. In 6 hours, I heard pretty much nothing. A check in here or there for the channels that have networked repeaters tied to them, but no real conversations. Anywhere. Some UK guys on the NR channel 0 now and then...but nothing worth writing home about.

The problem I see with some of the Zello channels, be it "radio" related or not is owner/admins that spend way more time on air barking at people, asking who is xxx and who "trusted" them in. I can't even log in to Zello on my PC without 3 seconds later some admin yelling my handle wanting to know what I am doing on the channel. Well...you "trusted" me in....that's why I'm here. I really laugh at the ones that are setup as "anyone can listen" but they still get all bent when you appear online. I don't spend 10 hours a day on Zello, so no, you probably haven't talked to me. When I log on to see what's being discussed, stop acting like I'm an intruder. You let me in. In one case you emailed me a password. Today some dude went in a level 13 panic calling people trying to find out who I was and who let me on....I never had a chance to answer, so I just let him go on sounding like he thinks he is so important, if he wants to play radio cop...have fun spazing out! There is nothing that ruins human interaction, like.....human interaction!

I was able to hear it on a mobile and base yesterday South of Circleville. It's definately around Obetz - Rickenbacker area. When I was up there it was strong and right on frequency. Hearing it two days in a row means the system did not change control channels each day. If I had to guess...someone needed another channel for their system and figured no one would notice.

Not practical right now. Not worth the drive! It sounds just about like the control channel data on an old Moto SMR.

If so can you hear trunking data on 462.575 at full quieting? I'd like to think it's a mix, but it sure sounds right on to me. Heard very strong in Obetz and can hear as far South as Circleville on mobile, so it makes me want to rule out harmonics, etc.

Quarterwave antennae on VHF and UHF were always highly recommended when I ran the radio shop. I could solve alot of problems when I took a gain antenna off and put that little 6" quarter whip on instead.

Hi Jason. I don't want to repeat the previous reply, but I'll support his response. Midland has told me they intend to "update" the product line this year and that the Micro Mobiles will be wideband capable. They basically screwed the pooch. and didn't mean to, on those, with the oversight being that wideband GMRS repeaters (which are 99% of them) don't play nice with narrowband only radios. The split PL thing has never been a big deal to me, as in 30 years of working with radio commercially, and being a GMRS licensee for 25, I have never used or setup any repeater in any service with split PL's. I see the reason why someone would, but I have not. I own a good many mobiles and portables, and a MTR2000 repeater...all have a "M" on them, so I am spoiled. I have a couple of Boafeng 888's that I kind of play with on a secondary repeater, and a UV5R, they all have their place. It's all about expectations.

You could use something like this and some bigger clamps. https://www.americanradiosupply.com/am-403-nmo-stainless-steel-antenna-mounting-bracket-type-nmo-connector/ or https://afxmotorsports.com/products/antenna-mounting-base-for-universal-accessory-mounting-system?variant=19628245188677&currency=USD&network=g&device=c&keyword=&campaign=6631212632&adgroup=pla-823740043424&gclid=Cj0KCQiAovfvBRCRARIsADEmbRKYs17ssfHF7ZyyYf2Pf2UG1WpZGXqZeHbdTEYxCaToIhPqSLtuy4IaAqCFEALw_wcB

Those radios are narrowband, and may not produce enough PL/DPL deviation to open a wideband repeater.