MichaelLAX

A peek at the supported radios on CHIRP's home page indicates that indeed, the Mac version of CHIRP will program the Radioddity DB-25G; but it currently does not support the Baofeng UV-9G. And the features in CHIRP may not include all of the options that are listed in the Windows version for the DB25-G. So, yes, download Mac CHIRP and see how you do with the DB25-G and let's keep working with Windows for the UV-9G and ultimately the DB25-G as well. Here is a subset of the CHIRP list for Baofeng:

Take it up with the FCC and let us know how that works out for you!

@Lscottmakes a pretty reasonable case that Channel 20 is historically the travel channel. Why not accept his perspective and not isolate any percentage of the population?

Can you explain to me why Channels 19 & 27 and 21 & 29 are verboten above Line A, but not Channels 20 & 28? which are smack in-between these frequencies!?

Where's @donmontalvowhen you need him?!? ?

No! More after dinner…

Ok so I did that and the first listing directed me to @rdunajewski’s post: “Travel Tone is when a repeater enables 141.3 Hz as an open tone for travelers to use when in the area. For example, you could tune your radio to each GMRS repeater channel with 141.3 as your tone, and the repeaters with a Travel Tone are open for temporary use without permission. Good for when you don't have time to program each repeater along your route. “ORI stands for the Open Repeater Initiative which was created by Popular Wireless many years ago. It was a way to indicate a repeater is open for any licensed GMRS operator to use without having to ask the owner's permission. These repeaters you can just jump on and use as long as you follow GMRS rules and use your callsign.“ I don’t see your supposed designation about Channel 20 (not that Channel 20 isn’t a good idea!)?

The FCC, in its wisdom, mandated that those simplex users transmitting between greater than 5 and up to 50 watts, must do so on one of the 8 repeater output frequencies. If you "don't want to listen to others all the time just traveling thru," you should set a transmitting tone on your repeater that is not the traveling tone and set your receiver to only open your squelch when your repeater's tone is detected. In this way most of the simplex travelers who are using the travel tone will not open your squelch and hence you won't have to listen to them. There is a subset of travelers who you will hear, even when this plan is in effect: Those simplex travelers who are within your simplex receiving zone who transmit while someone else who is properly using your repeater. In those situations you will hear both the simplex user and the repeaters output of the repeater user, which will cause some interference depending upon which station "captures" your receiver and to what extent.

WoW: what an insult that is to @kb2ztxand a self-referencing statement, too! ?

Again, your opinion, but that was the focus of my original question to @BoxCarsince he was so forceful in his comment, twice: is there a rule out there that tells us which way to go? Oh, please educate us as to what is "true GMRS chat" so that we can be a member of your "club!" Tell us how you really feel! ? But not off topic enough to keep you from posting your thoughts... twice! But, "off topic" REALLY?!? I have reviewed this thread twice now. It went on and on about a relatively simple issue: whether or not a GMRS repeater owner has the right to require users to have the owner's permission. After it beat that issue to death; about 14 months later, a fresh group of members beat it to death, again! Yet in all those 4 and 1/2 pages of posts, no one even suggested a solution to the problem!?! It seems to me you can't have it both ways: if you have the right to give permission to those who use your repeater, you can't disclaim liability for how they use it! But that is just my opinion. Then Dan posited: To which @BoxCarreplied: @DDinMCMI, Dan, came back with some FCC Part 95 quotes to which @BoxCarrepeated his position again: And then Dan capitulated, apparently because @BoxCarsaid it twice: But saying it twice, with verve even, did not satisfy my curiosity, so I asked @BoxCarto cite the basis of his statements, which he is apparently unable or unwilling to do. Now just because something is rare does not mean we should not plan for it. For example I have been purchasing earthquake insurance which some people would say is a waste of money since 1995. I will bet dollars to donuts that @OffRoaderX, being the prudent businessman that he is, checked with his insurance agent and made sure that his homeowners liability policy covers the repeater that he installed at his home. Your mileage, as a repeater owner, may differ! OK: I hope you feel better now! ?

Welcome! I use my Comet Tribander on GMRS quite successfully.

I don't believe Ham radio has a travel channel either. There are "simplex channels" there. Consider this thread about "travel channels" and Ham Radio. Perhaps you are thinking of legacy Citizens Band Radio?!

Another opinion of what you think the law should be, which, of course, you are entitled to have. I am only aware of two areas of broad immunity in the laws of the United States: 1) Section 230 of the Communications and Decency Act that basically gives Internet providers immunity from the content posted by others on Internet websites hosted by those providers; and 2) The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act which shields gun manufacturers and dealers from most civil litigation. But @Boxcar made the broad assertion that: And I would like to see exactly where @BoxCar gets his information to base his statement or perhaps an admission on his part that, like @kirk5056 and @kb2ztx, it is only his opinion or hope of what the law should be. This website has a high regard by its readers of posting information that is factually correct or of a poster's opinion, and we should continue to stand behind that reputation. A simple request on my part.

"Affiliate link below" ?

Did Ahmet Zappa certify your Avatar?!? ?

That’s the spirit: demand facts of those who make broad assertions! Except I don’t recall anyone making that assertion here. Only @BoxCar’s broad assertion that there is “no responsibility!” Pass the chips, please

Which VHF HTs did you use on what frequency?

I agree. That is why I gave my grandson my Pofung P15UV, a clone of the Radioddity GM-30, to use instead of his Motorola bubble wrap.

Ah, OK: I found this informative: MOTOROLA HT1000 INFORMATION Further anecdotal evidence that VHF travels better than UHF on a watt-per-watt basis.

A google search for "HT1000" brings up an 800MHz Motorola; is that what you are using and with which licensing program (or is there a license free band there, too?)

Oh, so your OP is about "business use" on MURS? I thought that currently issued GMRS licensees cannot conduct business activities on GMRS, as well; is that incorrect? If correct, then the comparison is MURS to FRS, even with FRS' antenna limitations, as both are unlicensed services.

You are a better source for historical perspective of MURS, but my understanding is that only Blue Dot (MURS 4) and Green Dot (MURS 5) are incorporated into the currently unlicensed MURS scheme. The other colors may have transitioned to other services, if they still exist. UPDATE: From a google, I did find this discussion: Common Itinerant and Business on Radio Reference

I don't have much use for a 2 watt limitation on VHF, so when needed, I go over to the 2 meter Ham band. I do include MURS in my scanning and here in Los Angeles, I hear quite a bit of Spanish language use and English language construction site and traffic rerouting use. And there is grandfathered Walmart use on MURS 5 (Green Dot) with probably older Motorola HTs and radios. There are of course the non-certified typical Baofeng UV-5Rs and MARS/CAPS modified 2 meter HTs. But for certified license free MURS use, I have seen some reviews of radios by Wouxun, Retevis and BTech, and on some forums including this one, I do see much discussion of Dakota Alert products. I personally would use MURS more, if they allowed up to 5 watts or more and repeaters. In the interim I would like to get ahold of a certified 2 watt MURS unit to do distance comparisons to 2 watt FRS HTs. I have done some experimentation on the low power setting on my Anytone AT-779UV (a/k/a Radioddity DB-20G), but that doesn't count! @OffRoaderX did a YouTube comparison of MURS vs. GMRS. Or of course, study up a bit and get a Ham Radio Tech license and all sorts of opportunities become available!

Well that is a good opinion, but I am still waiting for @BoxCar to give us a citation for his unequivocal claim that there is no liability.

On a slightly related note, the TIDRadio Programming Adapter, still does not work with the TD-H5, although it does work with the not compatible, TD-H6.