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#21 Ian

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Posted 30 April 2020 - 05:14 AM

Not really... These forums provide some laughs from time to time, and it's always the same actors.. Some call me a troll because I float some different ideas about the RF Spectrum... And as soon as I float something all the Nay Sayers come out of the woodwork. It's the same BULLS**T Mindset that said Ham Radio would become CB because of the No-Code License. Of course, they were wrong, there was an influx of some really nice people, it was refreshing and a lot nicer to hear decent people using the Spectrum instead of bunch of old crabs... 

 

As far as the GMRS crowd goes, there's changes coming like or not, you all dodged a regulatory bullet in 2017, but you're almost out of lives :)

I'm honestly a little annoyed you deleted the first post, because we're still having a discussion, and I missed the beginning.

 

CB is useless and nobody operates (here) any more, ham has told me to get new friends with ham licenses, and all I wanted was a way to keep in touch with my nerd friends at ren faires with no cell coverage.  My weirdest requests here have been in service to this singular goal, too.  I just want to solve a boring practical problem.

 

What the heck is this about dodging bullets and out of lives?  Be courteous and don't redact our history, please.


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Posted 30 April 2020 - 09:30 AM

Not really... These forums provide some laughs from time to time, and it's always the same actors.. Some call me a troll because I float some different ideas about the RF Spectrum... And as soon as I float something all the Nay Sayers come out of the woodwork. It's the same BULLS**T Mindset that said Ham Radio would become CB because of the No-Code License. Of course, they were wrong, there was an influx of some really nice people, it was refreshing and a lot nicer to hear decent people using the Spectrum instead of bunch of old crabs...

As far as the GMRS crowd goes, there's changes coming like or not, you all dodged a regulatory bullet in 2017, but you're almost out of lives :)



So we went from childish to vague ominous threats that are as empty as space, as if you have some kind of control or insight as to what the future holds for the spectrum and its users. Nice!

So, here's a little secret about how many of our laws are made and regulatory agencies plan. Big business polls the people to find the largest marketable demographic that is likely to buy something. Then they look at likelihood and expense to deliver in a specific timeframe, estimate time to profitability and anticipated duration of product or service lifetime. If they think the can make a lot of money soon, the companies bribe/lobby/make campaign contributions to whomever they need to (in the order of hundreds of millions) until they get their way.

You aren't going to change anything. You don't have any insight or insider knowledge. You're talking out your butt.. and if anything does change (I'm sure one day it will) regardless of how much you will claim it was you, you would have had nothing to do with it.
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Posted 30 April 2020 - 11:17 AM

I think you guys (Ian and Mark) are reading too much in Russ' posts. It's all figure of speech, about regulatory bullet and our miserable lives, which we are almost out of. And the radioreference thread was fun to read!

 

The whole proposal seemed to me as in: if it ain't broken fix it till it is. If somebody wants to go narrowband, because of interference on repeater input or lack of wideband gear or whatever the reason, feel free to do so, it's allowed today.


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Posted 30 April 2020 - 03:14 PM

So we went from childish to vague ominous threats that are as empty as space, as if you have some kind of control or insight as to what the future holds for the spectrum and its users. Nice!

So, here's a little secret about how many of our laws are made and regulatory agencies plan. Big business polls the people to find the largest marketable demographic that is likely to buy something. Then they look at likelihood and expense to deliver in a specific timeframe, estimate time to profitability and anticipated duration of product or service lifetime. If they think the can make a lot of money soon, the companies bribe/lobby/make campaign contributions to whomever they need to (in the order of hundreds of millions) until they get their way.

You aren't going to change anything. You don't have any insight or insider knowledge. You're talking out your butt.. and if anything does change (I'm sure one day it will) regardless of how much you will claim it was you, you would have had nothing to do with it.

 

Marc,

 

I thought you were a little smarter than that... I never said I had insider information, the writing is on the wall, you just gotta open your eyes after you pull your head out of the sand :)

 

Hint: FRS Radios can now transmit on the Repeater Outputs!!! The FCC Folks know there are lots of Hams playing radio on GMRS, and trying to HOG spectrum.. GMRS is referred to as the "73 centimeter" ham band... NO One here is fooling anyone..

 

73,

Russ 



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Posted 30 April 2020 - 03:56 PM

Marc,

 

I thought you were a little smarter than that... I never said I had insider information, the writing is on the wall, you just gotta open your eyes after you pull your head out of the sand :)

 

Hint: FRS Radios can now transmit on the Repeater Outputs!!! The FCC Folks know there are lots of Hams playing radio on GMRS, and trying to HOG spectrum.. GMRS is referred to as the "73 centimeter" ham band... NO One here is fooling anyone..

 

73,

Russ 

 

Next!!!

 

Anyone else have comments for baby Russ :)



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Posted 30 April 2020 - 03:59 PM


Hint: FRS Radios can now transmit on the Repeater Outputs!!!

 

 

Russ... this is 100% factually incorrect. 

 

Based on Code of Federal Regulations, FRS radios are not permitted to transmit on the repeater input frequencies, therefore will never be heard on a repeat output.  They are explicitly only allowed to transmit on the allocated simplex frequencies.  In fact, the ability to transmit on any frequency beyond the 22 simplex frequencies assigned to the FRS would automatically disqualify any transceiver from getting its part 95 FRS certification. 

 

Only part 95 certified GMRS radios are permitted to transmit on the repeater input frequencies, and that requires a GMRS operator's license. 

 

Considering I have spent the last 22 years as independent consultant for the US federal government (17+ for local government), specializing in providing emergency communications sustainment and restoration support to critical communications infrastructure, I am pretty sure I am a bit more in tune with what is happening in the industry, than what you are giving me credit for.


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Posted 30 April 2020 - 04:04 PM

Russ... this is 100% factually incorrect. 

 

Based on Code of Federal Regulations, FRS radios are not permitted to transmit on the repeater input frequencies.  The are explicitly only allow to transmit on the allocated simplex frequencies.  In fact, the ability to transmit on any frequency beyond the 22 simplex frequencies assigned to the FRS would automatically disqualify any transceiver from getting its part 95 FRS certification. 

 

Only part 95 certified GMRS radios are permitted to transmit on the repeater input frequencies, and that requires a GMRS operator's license. 

 

Considering I have spent the last 22 years as independent consultant for the US federal government (17+ for local government), specializing in providing emergency communications sustainment and restoration support to critical communications infrastructure, I am pretty sure I am a bit more in tune with what is happening in the industry, than what you are giving me credit for.

 

YOU Didn't read what I typed, let's try again.. "Hint: FRS Radios can now transmit on the Repeater Outputs!!! The FCC Folks know there are lots of Hams playing radio on GMRS, and trying to HOG spectrum.. GMRS is referred to as the "73 centimeter" ham band... NO One here is fooling anyone".

 

Care to retract your previous statement???



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Posted 30 April 2020 - 04:05 PM

Russ... this is 100% factually incorrect. 

 

Based on Code of Federal Regulations, FRS radios are not permitted to transmit on the repeater input frequencies, therefore will never be heard on a repeat output.  They are explicitly only allowed to transmit on the allocated simplex frequencies.  In fact, the ability to transmit on any frequency beyond the 22 simplex frequencies assigned to the FRS would automatically disqualify any transceiver from getting its part 95 FRS certification. 

 

Only part 95 certified GMRS radios are permitted to transmit on the repeater input frequencies, and that requires a GMRS operator's license. 

 

Considering I have spent the last 22 years as independent consultant for the US federal government (17+ for local government), specializing in providing emergency communications sustainment and restoration support to critical communications infrastructure, I am pretty sure I am a bit more in tune with what is happening in the industry, than what you are giving me credit for.

 

"Considering I have spent the last 22 years as independent consultant for the US federal government (17+ for local government), specializing in providing emergency communications sustainment and restoration support to critical communications infrastructure, I am pretty sure I am a bit more in tune with what is happening in the industry, than what you are giving me credit for".

 

Hmm, that might explain some things :)



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Posted 30 April 2020 - 04:10 PM

YOU Didn't read what I typed, let's try again.. "Hint: FRS Radios can now transmit on the Repeater Outputs!!! The FCC Folks know there are lots of Hams playing radio on GMRS, and trying to HOG spectrum.. GMRS is referred to as the "73 centimeter" ham band... NO One here is fooling anyone".

 

Care to retract your previous statement???

 

Nope.... Dude... words have meaning.  You can't transmit on a repeater output unless you're on the input.  You even highlighted it above.  You doubling down on the wrong thing doesn't make you correct.


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Posted 30 April 2020 - 04:11 PM

 

Hmm, that might explain some things :)

 

Now I know you are a troll.  I'm done. 


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Posted 30 April 2020 - 04:15 PM

Nope.... Dude... words have meaning.  You can't transmit on a repeater output unless you're on the input.  You even highlighted it above.  You doubling down on the wrong thing doesn't make you correct.

 

Really, that's news to me and lots of other radio folks.. The only way to be heard on the OUTPUT is to transmit on the Repeater INPUT, so NO SIMPLEX on the OUTPUTS, Are you SURE???. Oh this is getting funny and stupid at the same time... Sheesh



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Posted 30 April 2020 - 04:17 PM

Now I know you are a troll.  I'm done. 

 

Oh, I'm the Troll……. Blah, ha ha ha ha...….. Go to the corner and read some radio manuals, you'll figure it out...



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Posted 30 April 2020 - 04:18 PM

Nope.... Dude... words have meaning.  You can't transmit on a repeater output unless you're on the input.  You even highlighted it above.  You doubling down on the wrong thing doesn't make you correct.

Marc. I think he is saying the FRS radios can transmit simplex on the repeater output frequencies. He is not saying they can transmit through the repeater.

However, I think you are right, Like you, I am done with this discussion, and as well, I think this topic is done. Could a moderator please close it.
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Posted 30 April 2020 - 04:25 PM

Marc. I think he is saying the FRS radios can transmit simplex on the repeater output frequencies. He is not saying they can transmit through the repeater.

However, I think you are right, Like you, I am done with this discussion, and as well, I think this topic is done. Could a moderator please close it.

 

He is not saying the repeater output frequencies...  He is saying repeater output. 



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Posted 30 April 2020 - 04:29 PM

He is not saying the repeater output frequencies...  He is saying repeater output. 

 

Yeah, and 99% of two-way folks know what "talking on the repeater output" means, it's also referred to as "Talk Around".... A.K.A. Simplex... Sheeeeshhh..



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Posted 30 April 2020 - 04:33 PM

Talk Around:

The talk around function sets the transmit and receive frequencies to the same frequency for communicating transceiver-to-transceiver.

 

Schools out... NEXT!



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Posted 30 April 2020 - 04:51 PM

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