Baofeng AR-5RM

[dosw]

I recently picked up a Baofeng AR-5RM. The kit included the radio with battery, a standard "701 clone" antenna tuned to FM (broadcast radio) / 136-174MHz / 400-520MHz, an Abbree AR-771 VHF/UHF antenna, a desktop charger, wrist strap, belt clip, and a manual which turned out to be better written than the manual for my old UV-5R radios.

 

For those who are unfamiliar with this radio, it is pretty much identical to the UV-5G Plus, the UV-5RM Plus, and possibly other Baofeng radios. It's marketed as pushing up to 10w transmit power.

 

The radio is quite a bit larger than the older UV-5G (UV-5R sibling). The screen is much nicer, though I've seen complaints that it's hard to read in bright sunlight. I suspect that's true, though it's still legible to me. The menus seem better laid out, but maybe that's because the display has more characters, so it's easier to understand what the menu is saying. Compared to the UV-5R's 128 memory locations, this radio has 999.

 

Just about the first thing I did was use my old Baofeng UV-5R USB cable to program it with Chirp. This process went smoothly, and the data upload/download is about twice the speed of data transfers with the older UV-5G. Chirp is going to be Chirp -- if you know how to use it with one radio, it works just about the same for any compatible radio, with the addition or subtraction of a few field columns depending on the radio you're programming. I noticed that this radio allows up to 12 characters in the channel name field. And it offers three power levels, low, medium, and high. Through some testing I determined that these equate to about 2.5w, 5w, and 10w.

 

Spurious emissions.... When transmitting with my older UV-5G and looking at the spectrum waterfall on my RTL-SDRv4 I would see a sharp peak at the frequency center, with two short peaks a few kilohertz away in either direction. This isn't terribly surprising, as my SDR's antenna is only six feet away when I test. But when I transmit with the AR-5RM and observe the waterfall, I don't see those secondary peaks on either side of the frequency center. I also used some software to do a wider scan with the SDR to see if there were other significant emissions across a broader portion of the UHF spectrum, and really didn't see much, in my unscientific test.

 

Next I hooked up the Surecom SW-102 along with a dummy load, and tested power output at 2m, MURS, Marine VHF, 1.25m, 70cm, and GMRS frequencies. At low power, the output was usually in the 2.3-2.7w range, with a bit of a dip, closer to 1.9w in the 1.25m band.  At medium power, there was another dip down to just over four watts at 1.25m, but in other VHF and UHF portions of the RF spectrum power was very close on either side of 5w -- sometimes a little over, other times a little under, but just barely. At full power it came in around 8.2w in the 1.25m band, but everywhere else was between 9.4w and 10.2w.

 

It's worth noting that as a GMRS radio (for which it isn't type approved), it would be inappropriate to set it up to transmit on GMRS channels 8-14, since they're supposed to be 0.5w channels, and this radio really doesn't go below about 2.5w. For MURS (for which it is also not type approved) you're also pushing it a little, since MURS is supposed to be <2w. But 2.5w is only 25% too powerful, versus 5x more power than it should be putting out, which is the situation for GMRS 8-14.

 

The antennas: I did sweeps with a NanoVNA within each of the ranges mentioned above; 2m, MURS, Marine VHF, 1.25m, 70cm, and GMRS. The included antennas perform fairly well. The shorter one had an SWR of <2.5:1 throughout all the ranges except 1.25m, where it was something like 3.5:1 -- not appropriate for use in that band. The longer antenna scored consistently better in all of the ranges I tested. Still not really appropriate for 1.25m. With both antennas, they tended to see a bit too much rise near the top of the Marine VHF spectrum. If this spectrum is important you would probably want an antenna better tuned to that set of frequencies. But they both did pretty good at 2m, MURS, 70cm, and GMRS. I compared a Nagoya NA-771G, and it did even better at GMRS frequencies, at the expense of slightly higher SWR in the lower parts of the 70cm band. The 771G did okay in the upper portions of the 2m band, and MURS as well, though it's not designed to be a dual band antenna. 

 

Testing with the long antenna (the Abbree 771) at 5w (medium power) I hit the Ogden repeater (43 miles away) and the Promontory repeater (64 miles away). It helps that I have line of sight to those repeaters. Over Simplex I tested at about 3 miles and 5 miles from my home at each power level using both the shorter and longer antenna. The 5-mile test was more interesting, so I'll rank the results of that test from best configuration to worst. First, though; I did manage to get through to my home, with where I had a VOX recorder set up, using each of the configurations. I'm going to mix my RA-87 (40w radio) with MXTA-26 for comparison:

Best to Worst:

1. Retevis at 40w: Full quieting, no static at all. Crisp sound.
2. Retevis at 25w (M): Nearly full quieting, no static. Crisp sound. The noise floor was just very slightly higher.
3. AR-5RM at High with long antenna: Obviously it's going to sound a little noisier at 10w with a 771 clone antenna than the Retevis, but still very good.
4. Retevis at 5w (L): slightly higher noise floor than AR-5RM at 10w.
5. AR-5RM at Medium power, long antenna: noise floor was just a little higher than before.
6. AR-5RM at High power, short antenna: I had to listen several times to hear the difference between high/short and medium/long. But medium/long won by a hair.
7. AR-5RM at Medium power, short antenna: Still pretty good, but high/short was a little less hiss.
8. AR-5RM at low power, long antenna: Noise floor was quite a bit higher, and some static coming through.
9. AR-5RM at low power, short antenna: Considerable hiss and static, but my voice was still very clear, easy to make out.

I should have tested against my older UV-5G but I ran out of time. At higher powers, the difference between the long and short antenna wasn't as important. At lower powers, the antenna length mattered a lot more. Overall, though, antenna length seemed to make more difference than power level.

Configuration: I don't see much point in draining the battery and singing my eyeballs by transmitting at 10w all the time. The sound quality at 5w from 5-miles away was pretty good, particularly with the longer antenna. And I was able to hit those distant repeaters at 5w. Therefore, as I configured the radio with Chirp, I set channels 1-7, 15-22, and repeater inputs to medium - 5w. I set MURS to Low, 2+w.  Marine VHF/16 and the 68,71, etc working channels are set to Low (2+w). I haven't tested it with an antenna -- only with dummy load -- at 2m, 1.25m, and 70cm, and currently have it configured to not be able to transmit on any frequencies. And I've set GMRS channels 8-14 to not transmit, since its minimum power level is way too high compared to the requirement of staying below 0.5w on those channels.

To configure it to not be able to transmit on a frequency that you have programmed into its memory slots, you set the "offset" to "off." At that point, when you hit PTT, nothing happens. In Chirp there are four possible offset modes: (blank) which is no offset/simplex; off which is no transmitting possible, + (positive) offset, and - (negative) offset.

Air band: I've listened to air band with this radio. When you set it into the airband (108.0000 - 135.99875MHz) it automatically switches to AM, and will not transmit (tested with a dummy load). It does pick up ATC just fine.

Battery life: I've never run it all the way down, so I don't know. But I do like that you can charge it either from the desktop base, OR with a USB-C plug.

In the spirit of avoiding surprises: This radio, at least in the package I bought, doesn't come with a USB data cable. But it works with the same data cable used with the UV-5R or UV-5G. And within Chirp you chose the Baofeng 5RM profile (my UV-5G uses the Radiodity UV-5R profile).

The green button (search): Hold the green button for a few seconds. The phone will say "Search." Now hold the PTT on another radio. In a few seconds this radio will show the frequency, and a second or so later, will show the DCS or CTCSS tone. Then it will let you save it into a memory bank. I can't remember for the life of me how to delete it (other than with Chirp) but that's in the manual, for sure. The point is that you can pair it up to another radio that is already set to a frequency and tone quickly and easily. I tend to be the one setting up my radios and handing them out to family members when we go skiing or hiking, so it's probably not a feature I'll need much. But if you find yourself bringing a radio to an event where you know others will be using GMRS or FRS to keep in touch, you can get paired up to their radios easily.

I'm well aware this isn't a $50, $80, $100, or $150 two-way radio; it's a $35 (with extra antenna) multi-band two way radio; it should, by all rights, be a much worse radio. But its power levels are quite close to what's advertised, within about 5-6% of advertised across most of the bands I tested. 1.25cm is kind of the exception, being more like 10% off. But still, this radio is better than it should be. It feels pretty solid. Its sound quality is quite good. Listening to my recordings, it sounds like it transmits clearly. Scanning is pretty slow -- scanning is always slow on 2-way radios I've used. Squelch isn't perfect -- scanning 2m repeaters I keep getting hung up on one that must have another more distant one on the same frequency, too far to hear, but powerful enough to break squelch even when I have it set high. 

When people review equipment there's often some level of confirmation bias. I'm probably looking for reasons to like the radio, and to defend my purchasing decision. If I were looking for negatives, things not to like, I would come up with a few: It's quite a lot bigger than the UV-5G / UV-5R. It doesnt' fit into a pocket as easily. The included ABBREE 771 knockoff antenna feels cheaper than my Nagoya 771G, and the 701 knockoff is even cheaper than that. The scan button requires a long press, and an accidental short press puts you into a DTMF transmit mode that you can't seem to get out of except by hitting the "monitor" button once, which is an undocumented path. The antenna jack is SMA-M, whereas the UV-5G was SMA-F, so I had to order different adapters to be able to use an external antenna. The dust cover over the mic/speaker/data ports feels like it could wear out if you're opening and closing it a lot.  Unlike the UV-5R/G you can't alter the levels associated with the squelch settings. That was a common customization people made with the UV-5R series. The USB-C charging light on the back of the battery shows a dim green when fully charged -- too dim to see in outdoor daylight. You can't set the power level low enough to meet power requirements for GMRS 8-14, but I don't really care about using those channels anyway; my mobile radios can't use 8-14 either. In the overall picture, those are minor things, for a $30-35 radio. 

[LeeBo]

Great review, thanks.  I got mine yesterday and the only thing I did was add one of my Nagoya 771 antennas and was hitting a repeater 30-ish miles away while on my front porch in the middle of a neighborhood full of oak trees. I couldn't do that with any of my previous Baofeng or Tid Radio units.

[charleshamilton]

Nice detailed review. Thanks for the antenna tests.  I got 2 of these a few days ago and have been going through them pretty thoroughly. I am getting about 7.5w on H, 4.5w on M, and 1.4w on L on the GMRS freqs. I did test on the 2m call freq and got 9w, but I don't use this radio for 2m. I bought the minimal set that only has the one short antenna. I have no way to test the antenna other than comparing it to the GMRS tuned antennas that I currently have for other radios. So, with my current GMRS antennas, I can easily open and talk on the closest repeater to my house with the AR-5RM, which I can not do on my other 4 and 5 watt radios with the same antennas.  I also can not even open that repeater with the AR-5RM using the included short antenna you tested.

One little thing that might be a big thing for some. is the placement of the USB-C charging port that is on the battery. Many times these ports end up on the bottom of the battery or radio so you are not able to stand the radio up while charging. The port on the AR-5RM is on the back of the battery and has a little rubber cover.

One last thing. This radio has the typical Roger Beep, but it also has a MDC1200 sounding tone just for fun.

This is a decent radio for the $30 I paid.

[WSAA635]

I just picked up an AR-5RM because I wanted a 10 watt radio.  CHIRP didn't work for me, I had to download the Baofeng program which did work. I entered all the frequencies I wanted by hand(no copy and paste option from CHIRP) but I couldn't enter any Airband frequencies. I can go VFO mode and enter an Airband frequency so I know it's Unlocked and will accept them but from the Baofeng Program it's a "No Go".  Not a huge deal since I've got my TalkPod A36's for Airbands but it would be kind of nice If I could program them into the radio.

[WRXB215]

1 hour ago, WSAA635 said:

CHIRP didn't work for me

What do you mean by this? Did it not work at all? Did you try using UV-17Pro? 

As far as air band goes, it sounds like you may need to contact the seller if it doesn't work.

[dosw]

3 hours ago, WSAA635 said:

I just picked up an AR-5RM because I wanted a 10 watt radio.  CHIRP didn't work for me, I had to download the Baofeng program which did work. I entered all the frequencies I wanted by hand(no copy and paste option from CHIRP) but I couldn't enter any Airband frequencies. I can go VFO mode and enter an Airband frequency so I know it's Unlocked and will accept them but from the Baofeng Program it's a "No Go".  Not a huge deal since I've got my TalkPod A36's for Airbands but it would be kind of nice If I could program them into the radio.

Can't speak definitively to programming airband frequencies, as I haven't tried setting up specific ones. But on my version of Chirp, the Vendor setting should be Baofeng, and the Model should be set to 5RM. If you don't have this configuration you might be running an old version of Chirp. You're using Chirp-Next, right?

 

I can say that when I tried programming 118MHz into Chirp for this radio, Chirp automatically selected "AM":

I set Duplex to "off", as that's actually the setting that disables transmitting, though I'm fairly certain the Baofeng won't transmit on airband AM frequencies either way. I haven't tried uploading it to the radio. But Chirp does accept the frequency and auto-selects AM.

[WRUU653]

I don't have this radio but maybe my two cents will help. As mentioned by @dosw, when programming Air Band in Chirp be sure to select AM in the mode column. Also some radios that do Air Band receive will only do so in the upper display and not the lower. Good luck.

[WSAA635]

I set CHIRP to 5RM and it couldn't read the radio, I tried a couple other options as well with zero success. The Baofeng program gave no option for AM, only FM xnd NFM. I can manually (VFO) type in an Airband and it takes but can't program one into memory with the software. 

Under the Baofeng software if you don't want to TX you just leave the frequency under TX blank. 

Also, I have the newest version of CHIRP installed so I do have the 5RM listed.  I'll see if the UV-17 Pro will work but I'm not going yo hold my breath.

[WSAA635]

This is interesting. Got this from Miklor web site on a review of the 5RM. Since I can't get CHIRP to work I guess IF I wanted to program Airband I'd have to do it manually through the keyboard.

 

[WRUU653]

36 minutes ago, WSAA635 said:

This is interesting. Got this from Miklor web site on a review of the 5RM. Since I can't get CHIRP to work I guess IF I wanted to program Airband I'd have to do it manually through the keyboard.

 

Well that sucks. Sorry to hear that. 

[SteveShannon]

39 minutes ago, WSAA635 said:

This is interesting. Got this from Miklor web site on a review of the 5RM. Since I can't get CHIRP to work I guess IF I wanted to program Airband I'd have to do it manually through the keyboard.

 

Maybe you can use the factory software to create the air band channels you want but using frequencies in the two meter band. Then all you have to do from the front panel is edit the frequencies and change the mode to AM and then save. 

[WSAA635]

1 hour ago, SteveShannon said:

Maybe you can use the factory software to create the air band channels you want but using frequencies in the two meter band. Then all you have to do from the front panel is edit the frequencies and change the mode to AM and then save. 

The factory software won't allow airband inputs into memory, that's what I just posted above. Airbands would have been a plus but they're not a deal breaker.

[SteveShannon]

9 hours ago, WSAA635 said:

The factory software won't allow airband inputs into memory, that's what I just posted above. Airbands would have been a plus but they're not a deal breaker.

I understood that.  I also understood that you could enter air band channels from the front panel.  I’m suggesting that you could maybe use the software to do most of the channel entry as regular channels, the tedious part such as channel names, etc.  Then, from the front panel convert those regular channels to air band channels by changing the frequency and modulation. I just thought you could make it slightly easier for yourself.  
Good luck in either case.

[dosw]

15 hours ago, WSAA635 said:

I set CHIRP to 5RM and it couldn't read the radio, I tried a couple other options as well with zero success. The Baofeng program gave no option for AM, only FM xnd NFM. I can manually (VFO) type in an Airband and it takes but can't program one into memory with the software. 

Under the Baofeng software if you don't want to TX you just leave the frequency under TX blank. 

Also, I have the newest version of CHIRP installed so I do have the 5RM listed.  I'll see if the UV-17 Pro will work but I'm not going yo hold my breath.

I cannot explain why your experience with Chirp would be so different from mine, for the same radio.

 

• I have the vendor set to Baofeng, and the radio set to 5RM.
• I set channel 193 to 121.300, named it AirGround1, and immediately the software selected "AM" as the mode. I set Duplex to "off" which disables transmitting (though the radio won't transmit, regardless).
• I saved the image.
• I uploaded it to the radio.
• I turned on the radio and selected channel 193.
• It has AirGround1, and it can hear ground control traffic.

That's with Chirp next-20240919 on Python 3.12.3. Could you try with that configuration?

 

My radio is firmware version v0.14. Hardware version v01.

[WSAA635]

I'm running the same version of CHIRP and my radio is the same firmware version. CHIRP simply can't read the radio and I've tried 3 different cables so it not the cable. 

As I stated, Miklor said that the factory programing software won't allow Airband input. I'll just going to use my A36 Plus for Airbands if I want to listen to them.

[dosw]

1 hour ago, WSAA635 said:

I'm running the same version of CHIRP and my radio is the same firmware version. CHIRP simply can't read the radio and I've tried 3 different cables so it not the cable. 

As I stated, Miklor said that the factory programing software won't allow Airband input. I'll just going to use my A36 Plus for Airbands if I want to listen to them.

I've reviewed the Chirp code for the 5RM and the 17Pro. It's largely the same code (5RM class inherits from 17Pro class). There is no reason that I can see that the 5RM radio of the same version as mine, would not work with the 5RM entry in Chirp, unless you downloaded your code plug from a different radio and then modified it and tried to upload it as a 5RM. I suggest that if you cannot use the 5RM model in Chirp for your 5RM radio, you file a bug report with Chirp, because it's clearly not the intent for that to not work. As a software engineer it drives me crazy that two people with identical hardware and identical software would not get the same result. If you file that bug report, you will help all the people who are experiencing the same problem you are experiencing.

Here is a link to the code in question:

https://chirpmyradio.com/projects/chirp/repository/github/revisions/master/entry/chirp/drivers/baofeng_uv17Pro.py#L1313

That code encapsulates both the 17Pro and 5RM classes of radios.

And here is a link for submitting bug reports:

https://chirpmyradio.com/projects/chirp/issues

I've seen that the developers for Chirp are highly responsive. Your bug report will get addressed. The address may be "We can't reproduce", but I rarely see bugs closed that way in the Chirp issues stream. Usually they either result in a patch being created, or the developers discovering an issue with how the software is being used. But either way, someone learns, the developers improve their knowledge base too.

 

[WSAA635]

There's already been bug reports put in for this. 

I downloaded the Baofeng UV-17 Pro software and extracted and installed it and it's identical to the 5RM software. 

[dosw]

24 minutes ago, WSAA635 said:

There's already been bug reports put in for this. 

I downloaded the Baofeng UV-17 Pro software and extracted and installed it and it's identical to the 5RM software. 

• https://chirpmyradio.com/issues/11566 "Unable to upload to AR5RM": Closed as "not a bug" because the person reporting the bug resolved the issue by following the instructions of downloading from the radio first, not from some other similar radio.
• https://chirpmyradio.com/issues/11535 "No programming for UV-5RH": Different radio, but either way, this one was rejected because it's a duplicate of https://chirpmyradio.com/issues/10889, but also not applicable to the AR-5RM.
• https://chirpmyradio.com/issues/11529 "Add AR-5RM to the model alias map": Closed as done, implemented.
• https://chirpmyradio.com/issues/11474 "Error downloading from AR-5RM": This issue is still open, presumably because nobody's been able to reproduce it. Is that the same issue you're seeing? Adding your screenshots and radio pictures may help if that's the issue you're having.
• https://chirpmyradio.com/issues/11333 "Error reading data from radio: not the amount of data we want": This one is still open, and I'm not sure why. It looks like it's actually providing a solution of making sure that the driver for the cable be installed. But again, if this is the same issue you're having, providing more diagnostic information would probably help. But also that one is the UV-5RH, not AR-5RM.

Which bug, specifically, addresses the issue you're seeing?

This is active development, volunteer software. They only improve what they know about.

 

[WSAA635]

Chirp simply gives the error, Unable to read the radio. It's not the cable since the same cable works just fine to read the radio with the factory program and Chirp works fine with my other radios. 

There's just something about the AR-5RM that I got that doesn't work with Chirp.  

Also, I don't need drivers for my cable, I got the one with the built in driver chip set.

[SteveShannon]

58 minutes ago, WSAA635 said:

Also, I don't need drivers for my cable, I got the one with the built in driver chip set.

You say Chirp works fine with your other radios, but is that with this same cable?

[WSAA635]

Yes, same cable.  Com5, on UV-5R, 805G, A36 Plus. I had to use a different cable for the BTech 20V in the truck but CHIRP still worked just fine. 

[WSAA635]

I just ordered a UV-5RM Plus, it'll be here tomorrow and I'll see if it responds differently to CHIRP than the AR-5RM. It'd probably going to be the same radio just with different stickers but you never know. Either way it'd be good to have 2 of the higher powered radios. 

I'll post the results.

[WRPL700]

I did not see this covered in previous posts:  I remember seeing in the 5RM manual (toward the back of the manual-page 36) that there are two versions. M version and L version.  Could this be the problem?

[LeeBo]

11 hours ago, WSAA635 said:

Chirp simply gives the error, Unable to read the radio. It's not the cable since the same cable works just fine to read the radio with the factory program and Chirp works fine with my other radios. 

There's just something about the AR-5RM that I got that doesn't work with Chirp.  

Also, I don't need drivers for my cable, I got the one with the built in driver chip set.

Have you tried applying just the slightest pressure to the cable where it connects to the radio, maybe a possible loose connection with just that radio? I haven't has that issue with my AR-5RM, which works great with Chirp, but I have had that issue with other brands.  Just having my thumb on the plug did the trick.

[WSAA635]

1 hour ago, LeeBo said:

Have you tried applying just the slightest pressure to the cable where it connects to the radio, maybe a possible loose connection with just that radio? I haven't has that issue with my AR-5RM, which works great with Chirp, but I have had that issue with other brands.  Just having my thumb on the plug did the trick.

Yes, I did. If it was a loose connection it wouldn't work with the factory program but it reads the radio just fine with the factory program so it's NOT a loose cable.