Get Ready For Spike In Radio Prices

[WRYZ926]

I mostly want the IC-9700 since it is 100 watts and it does SSB. Plus I don't like the all band "shack in the box" radios. where you put all of your eggs in one basket.

My Icom IC-7300, which replaced the FTDX10 with a bad USB port, has served me well.

[WRCR724]

21 hours ago, SteveShannon said:

Again with the racist and stereotypical dismissiveness.  A knockoff is an unauthorized copy of a “legitimate” product.  This radio and the handheld 878 have unique features all of their own that were groundbreaking when first released, such as having the memory needed to store every contact in the RadioID database. 

What does race have to do with this? 

[WRUE951]

30 minutes ago, WRCR724 said:

What does race have to do with this? 

i think its something to do with 'China'

[SteveShannon]

32 minutes ago, WRCR724 said:

What does race have to do with this? 

 In my opinion, his repeated statements about ”Chinese radios” as poorly constructed was an attempt to associate the quality of the radios to the race of the people who manufactured them.

[tcp2525]

5 minutes ago, SteveShannon said:

 In my opinion, his repeated statements about ”Chinese radios” as poorly constructed was an attempt to associate the quality of the radios to the race of the people who manufactured them.

Really? If one's motives are honest they wouldn't need to explain themselves. If you feel the burning desire to continue this petty nonsense please feel free to PM and we can discuss this in private. I won't discuss this in an open forum as I will be the one to get reprimanded, not you. No further bait will be taken.

[SteveShannon]

10 minutes ago, tcp2525 said:

Really? If one's motives are honest they wouldn't need to explain themselves. If you feel the burning desire to continue this petty nonsense please feel free to PM and we can discuss this in private. I won't discuss this in an open forum as I will be the one to get reprimanded, not you. No further bait will be taken.

I was answering his question, not baiting you. 

[tcp2525]

1 hour ago, WRCR724 said:

What does race have to do with this? 

To any reasonable person, absolutely nothing. Here's an example. One of the directors in the company I work for ordered an electric power washer that was almost $400. It didn't work under load, so he contacted tech support and he went through all the steps he was told to do, still nothing. Call ended with them overnight a new one and told to toss the first one in the trash. I was asked to take a quick look at it and found the neutral wire under a screw that was never tightened. I looked at the tag and guess where it was made? I tightened the screw and they now have two power washers. No quality control and won't even take the defective one back to repair it. This is the true definition of disposable goods. Goes to show you the high profit margin. 

[WRCR724]

1 hour ago, SteveShannon said:

 In my opinion, his repeated statements about ”Chinese radios” as poorly constructed was an attempt to associate the quality of the radios to the race of the people who manufactured them.

You replied to his personal experience with a Chinese made product. He mentioned the work "Chinese" only once. Not repeatedly. But for argument's sake, I did see another post when he used the word "Chinese". 

How would you like him to describe the country of origin of these radios? Asian radios? Then you would have an issue with him grouping all the Asian countries together in some stereotypical manner. 

I see nothing wrong his use of the word "Chinese". If you do, maybe the issue is with you since you are the only one to bring it up. 

And it's no secret that there are several product that originate from China that are poorly constructed. That has nothing to do with race. 

[Lscott]

6 minutes ago, tcp2525 said:

Goes to show you the high profit margin. 

Do you know the per hour burden rate is for each employee that item has to pass through before it lands on a service tech's bench? I'll give you a clue, it's way more than the simple hourly rate and benefits for each employee. For our company that could be around $100 or more per hour. Things like supplies, office space, furniture etc. gets lumped in that rate, at least for us.

For people you have the receiving clerk's time. Next is the person in aftermarket that that has to generate the RMA paperwork, and track the progress of the repair order and then arrange shipment back to the customer. The shipping clerk's time. Shipping and insurance costs. Then the bench tech's time, from my experience sending in radios for minor work that gets billed at $125 per hour etc. The costs add up. For some items it's just not worth sending the stuff back.

I've gotten a few digital mode bum radios on eBay I've paid $150 to $200 for. The seller refunded the cost just told me to keep the defective radio. I was told it wasn't worth the cost to them for the return. I did send those in to a repair depot. In the end I ended up spending about the same amount of money between the repair and shipping costs. Basically broke even.

[tcp2525]

3 minutes ago, WRCR724 said:

You replied to his personal experience with a Chinese made product. He mentioned the work "Chinese" only once. Not repeatedly. But for argument's sake, I did see another post when he used the word "Chinese". 

How would you like him to describe the country of origin of these radios? Asian radios? Then you would have an issue with him grouping all the Asian countries together in some stereotypical manner. 

I see nothing wrong his use of the word "Chinese". If you do, maybe the issue is with you since you are the only one to bring it up. 

And it's no secret that there are several product that originate from China that are poorly constructed. That has nothing to do with race. 

Thanks for the well thought out explanation, but it is wasted on deaf ears and it's not worth enabling him. Please let this topic die.

[WRCR724]

2 minutes ago, tcp2525 said:

Thanks for the well thought out explanation, but it is wasted on deaf ears and it's not worth enabling him. Please let this topic die.

You're right. It probably wasn't even worth the few minutes it took me to type out. 

[tcp2525]

3 minutes ago, Lscott said:

Do you know the per hour burden rate is for each employee that item has to pass through before it lands on a service tech's bench? I'll give you a clue, it's way more than the simple hourly rate and benefits for each employee. For our company that could be around $100 or more per hour. Things like supplies, office space, furniture etc. gets lumped in that rate, at least for us.

For people you have the receiving clerk's time. Next is the person in aftermarket that that has to generate the RMA paperwork, and track the progress of the repair order and then arrange shipment back to the customer. The shipping clerk's time. Shipping and insurance costs. Then the bench tech's time, from my experience sending in radios for minor work that gets billed at $125 per hour etc. The costs add up. For some items it's just not worth sending the stuff back.

I've gotten a few digital mode bum radios on eBay I've paid $150 to $200 for. The seller refunded the cost just told me to keep the defective radio. I was told it wasn't worth the cost to them for the return. I did send those in to a repair depot. In the end I ended up spending about the same amount of money between the repair and shipping costs. Basically broke even.

Yep, I understand all that, but as policy, I would pay to have it shipped back and dispose of it myself or throw it in lots to auction off to recoup losses. The point being there is way too much profit margin on these disposable goods. The other benefit is it weeds out the people that claim defective if they know they getting keep the items. 

[Lscott]

3 minutes ago, tcp2525 said:

The point being there is way too much profit margin on these disposable goods.

That's the whole point of trashing it by the customer. Every time a hand touches the item it costs money. Don't forget part of the "profit" on the other items goes into the cost of the item that got sent out, likely under warranty.

 

[SteveShannon]

11 minutes ago, WRCR724 said:

You replied to his personal experience with a Chinese made product. He mentioned the work "Chinese" only once. Not repeatedly. But for argument's sake, I did see another post when he used the word "Chinese". 

How would you like him to describe the country of origin of these radios? Asian radios? Then you would have an issue with him grouping all the Asian countries together in some stereotypical manner. 

I see nothing wrong his use of the word "Chinese". If you do, maybe the issue is with you since you are the only one to bring it up. 

And it's no secret that there are several product that originate from China that are poorly constructed. That has nothing to do with race. 

Chinese refers to people, not all things from China.  Citizens of Taiwan consider themselves Chinese.  Millions of Americans are also Chinese. “Made in China” is different from “Chinese”. Using the term “Chinese” contributes to racial stereotypes. 

I agree with the fact that much of what is exported to the United States from China is poor quality.  But it’s also possible to import quality goods from China if an importer is will to exert quality control on the goods, either in China or upon receiving them here. Making the mistake of assuming that all things made in China have little or no quality has already cost US manufacturing greatly. The truth is that they have as much or as little quality as we are willing to pay to own. Communist China is one of our two greatest adversaries, economically and militarily.  To underestimate their abilities by subscribing to stereotypes is very risky. 
I may be more sensitive to this than others having worked in Taiwan in my past, but I believe it’s an important subject.

[SteveShannon]

17 minutes ago, tcp2525 said:

Yep, I understand all that, but as policy, I would pay to have it shipped back and dispose of it myself or throw it in lots to auction off to recoup losses. The point being there is way too much profit margin on these disposable goods. The other benefit is it weeds out the people that claim defective if they know they getting keep the items. 

On this we agree.  

[tcp2525]

21 minutes ago, Lscott said:

That's the whole point of trashing it by the customer. Every time a hand touches the item it costs money. Don't forget part of the "profit" on the other items goes into the cost of the item that got sent out, likely under warranty.

 

That might work for $5 items, but not for higher priced ones. We've had people dumpster dive on a daily basis for our broken or uneconomic to repair goods until we started to fully crush them. Best to sell in large lots for scrap.

[tcp2525]

18 minutes ago, SteveShannon said:

Chinese refers to people, not all things from China.  Citizens of Taiwan consider themselves Chinese.  Millions of Americans are also Chinese. “Made in China” is different from “Chinese”. Using the term “Chinese” contributes to racial stereotypes. 

I agree with the fact that much of what is exported to the United States from China is poor quality.  But it’s also possible to import quality goods from China if an importer is will to exert quality control on the goods, either in China or upon receiving them here. Making the mistake of assuming that all things made in China have little or no quality has already cost US manufacturing greatly. The truth is that they have as much or as little quality as we are willing to pay to own. Communist China is one of our two greatest adversaries, economically and militarily.  To underestimate their abilities by subscribing to stereotypes is very risky. 
I may be more sensitive to this than others having worked in Taiwan in my past, but I believe it’s an important subject.

Wow! In a futile attempt to always be right and save face for wrongfully assuming something he knows nothing about is not only amazing but sadly pathetic. I asked for this to be dropped but you feel the need to carry on. Have at it without me.

[WRCR724]

31 minutes ago, tcp2525 said:

Wow! In a futile attempt to always be right and save face for wrongfully assuming something he knows nothing about is not only amazing but sadly pathetic. I asked for this to be dropped but you feel the need to carry on. Have at it without me.

Sad ham. 

 

[Lscott]

42 minutes ago, tcp2525 said:

That might work for $5 items, but not for higher priced ones. We've had people dumpster dive on a daily basis for our broken or uneconomic to repair goods until we started to fully crush them. Best to sell in large lots for scrap.

When I was going to engineering school I worked on the loading dock for a major retail store chain. They would periodically get credit for items that were either defective or had been recalled by the vendor. In a few cases they didn't want the items back, BUT the main caveat the items had to be PHYSICALLY destroyed. The store loss prevention guys would stand watch as the stuff was thrown in to the trash compactor and crushed just to make sure. 

[Hoppyjr]

Now let’s talk about the origins of Covid!

[Lscott]

9 minutes ago, Hoppyjr said:

Now let’s talk about the origins of Covid!

No.

[WRUE951]

1 hour ago, Hoppyjr said:

Now let’s talk about the origins of Covid!

I wish,,  that discussion seems to get squashed every time.  ('d love to see that dialogue