Fixed Station vs Base Station?

[UncleYoda]

58 minutes ago, SteveShannon said:

This implies a connection to a dedicated system, such as telemetry or part
of an intercom system

Except they didn't say that.  And isn't data only for handheld?  I can't picture what a 2-way intercom would be but I don't need to know anyway.

[LeoG]

"Implies"

[UncleYoda]

4 minutes ago, LeoG said:

"Implies"

yep, I understand the word, but I was saying he made that up and he can use it if he wants but I want interpretation or examples from the people in charge  -  why is that so hard for so many to people to understand

[LeoG]

Ya, he's guessing at how it could be used.  And I agree.  I also agree there can be many more uses for it too.  The only limitation would be your imagination and the 15 watt output.

[SteveShannon]

1 hour ago, UncleYoda said:

Except they didn't say that.  And isn't data only for handheld?  I can't picture what a 2-way intercom would be but I don't need to know anyway.

Implies a dedicated system is not just something I made up. Saying that a Fixed Station may only communicate with other Fixed Stations is the very meaning of the word “dedicated”.

Then I said “such as” because I used two relatively easy to understand examples, but using the words such as also implies that there may be other uses.

The regulations do say Digital Data is limited to handhelds, but analog data and controls have no such constraint and can be passed using tones, such as DTMF. 

Digital data. GMRS hand-held portable units may transmit digital data containing location information, or requesting location information from one or more other GMRS or FRS units, or containing a brief text message to another specific GMRS or FRS unit.

 

[SteveShannon]

1 hour ago, LeoG said:

Ya, he's guessing at how it could be used.  And I agree.  I also agree there can be many more uses for it too.  The only limitation would be your imagination and the 15 watt output.

Exactly!  The rules limit certain aspects of the use, but leave it up to us to imagine how we might benefit from it.  

[Davichko5650]

On 5/3/2025 at 3:05 PM, marcspaz said:

I apologize. I didn't realize we had a rule against it.

Nor I.

[WRUU653]

On 5/8/2025 at 7:05 AM, SteveShannon said:

Exactly!  The rules limit certain aspects of the use, but leave it up to us to imagine how we might benefit from it.  

Imagine I will.
Let’s say you have a home and down the hill from this home you have a shop. You and the wife would like to have the ability to call each other on the radio however the shop is a big metal faraday cage of a building and your HT don’t make it. Also she prefers to just have coms with you and isn’t really into additional chatter. You set up external yagi antennas between the two buildings to remedy the metal building issue and point them to each other. Now you set up two mobile radios, one at the shop and one at the house and set them for 15 watts or less on output and program them for simplex on one of the 467 MHz main channels which you are allowed to do as a fixed station. Set some tones if you like, just make sure you aren’t setting them for a local repeater input tone. You now have yourself a pair of fixed stations with less chance of outside interference where you two can communicate. “Hey you better come up to the house and clean up. Your brother and sister-in-law are gonna be here for dinner in an hour. Over”

[UncleYoda]

11 minutes ago, WRUU653 said:

Imagine I will.
Let’s say you have a home and down the hill from this home you have a shop

Yep, I agree that fits - 2 base stations operating under the fixed station rules.  [If you used 462 you'd be doing the same thing as a base station, but you'd potentially be fighting repeater output.]  It's still not exactly clear why they felt it necessary to define a separate station type.  But that's OK if we find a use for it.

[SteveShannon]

1 hour ago, WRUU653 said:

Imagine I will.
Let’s say you have a home and down the hill from this home you have a shop. You and the wife would like to have the ability to call each other on the radio however the shop is a big metal faraday cage of a building and your HT don’t make it. Also she prefers to just have coms with you and isn’t really into additional chatter. You set up external yagi antennas between the two buildings to remedy the metal building issue and point them to each other. Now you set up two mobile radios, one at the shop and one at the house and set them for 15 watts or less on output and program them for simplex on one of the 467 MHz main channels which you are allowed to do as a fixed station. Set some tones if you like, just make sure you aren’t setting them for a local repeater input tone. You now have yourself a pair of fixed stations with less chance of outside interference where you two can communicate. “Hey you better come up to the house and clean up. Your brother and sister-in-law are gonna be here for dinner in an hour. Over”

Exactly what I meant by intercom.