THE FCC PERMITS LANGUAGES BESIDES ENGLISH?

[amaff]

56 minutes ago, Alec said:

Really ??   I did not infer that "Code Talker" is mentioned anywhere in the FCC rules.  I'm merely using that as an example to point out that "Plain Language" is an ambiguous term, not all foreign languages are commonly understood, and that perhaps the FCC's definition is not as clear or definitive as it should be!

By that logic, to someone who's a non English speaker using a GMRS radio, anyone speaking English is talking in code.
I guess none of us get to use our radios now...

[SteveShannon]

2 hours ago, Alec said:

Really ??   I did not infer that "Code Talker" is mentioned anywhere in the FCC rules.  I'm merely using that as an example to point out that "Plain Language" is an ambiguous term, not all foreign languages are commonly understood, and that perhaps the FCC's definition is not as clear or definitive as it should be!

This really isn’t ambiguous:

Plain language voice communications. Voice communications without codes or coded messages intended to provide a hidden meaning. Foreign languages and commonly known radio operating words and phrases, such as “ten four” and “roger,” not intended to provide a hidden meaning, are not considered codes or coded messages.

[ADVBikerRadioGirl]

On 4/16/2025 at 6:10 AM, Lscott said:

Maybe not any more.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/designating-english-as-the-official-language-of-the-united-states/

As a Native American, I will tell Dumb Trump that he can kiss my rear end. Nothing he says will stop me from using my native language. That would be the day. 
 

Plus, one must read before one posts, because that executive order has a loop hole designed right in it. It states:

“nothing in this order, however, requires or directs any change in the services provided by any agency.  Agency heads should make decisions as they deem necessary to fulfill their respective agencies’ mission and efficiently provide Government services to the American people.  Agency heads are not required to amend, remove, or otherwise stop production of documents, products, or other services prepared or offered in languages other than English.”  

 

[LeoG]

If they want to they can go to English only and now there is an EO to back it up.

[WRTC928]

My understanding of "official language" is that it will be required on all government documents, web sites, etc. and official documents can't be required to be provided in other languages. As far as I can tell, it won't prohibit government sites from providing translations in other languages as long as an English version is provided. Which, TBH, seems pretty reasonable to me. Since TV stations, radio stations, etc. aren't usually government-run, they'll be unaffected. 

Since GMRS and amateur radio are mostly private endeavors, I can't see the EO affecting our radio usage. Nobody owns the GMRS channels, and short of a change to FCC regulations, nobody can dictate to me that I can't use whatever language I like. A repeater is a bit different. Since it's privately owned, I support the owner's right to decide what language users must speak. I'm not sure how you'd enforce that, but in theory I support it.

[WRUE951]

On 5/22/2025 at 9:29 PM, ADVBikerRadioGirl said:

As a Native American, I will tell Dumb Trump that he can kiss my rear end. Nothing he says will stop me from using my native language. That would be the day. 
 

Plus, one must read before one posts, because that executive order has a loop hole designed right in it. It states:

“nothing in this order, however, requires or directs any change in the services provided by any agency.  Agency heads should make decisions as they deem necessary to fulfill their respective agencies’ mission and efficiently provide Government services to the American people.  Agency heads are not required to amend, remove, or otherwise stop production of documents, products, or other services prepared or offered in languages other than English.”  

 

there is a reason, can you imagine going to an ATM machine and spending an hour finding your language to proceed     This is no joke,,  the other day i was standing in line at an ATM an older guy in front of me using the machine starts cursing out loud.  I said ' what are thy out cash'   he says "F**K no, this G*D D*mn machine, I can't read spanish bla bla bla..  . He strugles to get his card out, he finally does, he storms inside the bank...  OK, my turn, first screen says select 'yoour language'..  I guess he selected the wrongh one  

[WSHH887]

On 5/22/2025 at 9:29 PM, ADVBikerRadioGirl said:

As a Native American, I will tell Dumb Trump that he can kiss my rear end. Nothing he says will stop me from using my native language. That would be the day. 

 

Not to rile anyone up, but were your ancestors in the first or second migration from Asia?

There have never been "native" humans in North, Central or South America. 

[amaff]

"Native Americans never existed" is certainly a take...

[tcp2525]

On 5/23/2025 at 12:29 AM, ADVBikerRadioGirl said:

As a Native American, I will tell Dumb Trump that he can kiss my rear end. Nothing he says will stop me from using my native language. That would be the day. 
 

Plus, one must read before one posts, because that executive order has a loop hole designed right in it. It states:

“nothing in this order, however, requires or directs any change in the services provided by any agency.  Agency heads should make decisions as they deem necessary to fulfill their respective agencies’ mission and efficiently provide Government services to the American people.  Agency heads are not required to amend, remove, or otherwise stop production of documents, products, or other services prepared or offered in languages other than English.”  

 

I'm just a Buffalo Soldier
In the heart of America
Stolen from Africa, brought to America
Said he was fighting on arrival
Fighting for survival
Said he was a Buffalo Soldier
Win the war for America

[Socalgmrs]

14 hours ago, WSHH887 said:

Not to rile anyone up, but were your ancestors in the first or second migration from Asia?

There have never been "native" humans in North, Central or South America. 

Yup.   Be ready, people will get upset at your facts.  

[SteveShannon]

12 hours ago, amaff said:

"Native Americans never existed" is certainly a take...

 

 

Yea, but it’s a pedantic take. After 20,000 - 30,000 years of having evolved languages, tribal customs, and even recognizable physical characteristics Native Americans deserve the title. 
Or, for the pedants, we’re all simply immigrants from Africa. 

[amaff]

6 minutes ago, SteveShannon said:

Yea, but it’s a pedantic take.

Exactly my point.

[WRUU653]

22 hours ago, WSHH887 said:

Not to rile anyone up, but…

What other possible reason could you have… it’s like saying “no offense” right before you say something you know will offend. One does not negate the other. 
 

Now as for Buffalos. There are no buffalo here. Plenty of bison though. Common misconception. I hope I don’t rile up any buffaloes or bison for that matter. 

[WSHH887]

You can use fancy words or come up with excuses, but there are no "native Americans".  However, if you take another view, that folks born somewhere are "natives", then anyone born in the Americas is a native. 

[Lscott]

14 hours ago, WSHH887 said:

You can use fancy words or come up with excuses, but there are no "native Americans".  However, if you take another view, that folks born somewhere are "natives", then anyone born in the Americas is a native. 

The answer varies depending how far back in time you want to go.

[WSHH887]

1 hour ago, Lscott said:

The answer varies depending how far back in time you want to go.

My point exactly. I've read various origins of the species. None show man evolved in a the Americas. They either hit here by foot or boat. 
 

[amaff]

17 minutes ago, WSHH887 said:

My point exactly. I've read various origins of the species. None show man evolved in a the Americas. They either hit here by foot or boat. 
 

Basically no one disputes that. But now we're down an absurd semantic rabbit hole. I don't know of anyone who seriously claims humans evolved independently in the Americas. That's not what anyone means by "Native Americans". But it's the argument you (or someone who has your ear...) are trying to have for...some reason?

[WSHH887]

1 hour ago, amaff said:

Basically no one disputes that. But now we're down an absurd semantic rabbit hole. I don't know of anyone who seriously claims humans evolved independently in the Americas. That's not what anyone means by "Native Americans". But it's the argument you (or someone who has your ear...) are trying to have for...some reason?

So we are in agreement that there are no "Native Americans".  

[tcp2525]

18 hours ago, WRUU653 said:

What other possible reason could you have… it’s like saying “no offense” right before you say something you know will offend. One does not negate the other. 
 

Now as for Buffalos. There are no buffalo here. Plenty of bison though. Common misconception. I hope I don’t rile up any buffaloes or bison for that matter. 

A little family history. My great, great grandfather seventeen generations back on my mom's side was the Chief of the Zamboni tribe in Malawi. Does that mean anything to anybody? I don't think it should. Bottom line, we are all members of the human race and there's no need for all this pigeon holing and placing people in irrelevant boxes. Just my opinion.

[amaff]

5 hours ago, WSHH887 said:

So we are in agreement that there are no "Native Americans".  

Not that meet your insanely specific, incorrectly used definition, no. 

Otherwise, no, we're definitely not in agreement 

[WSHH887]

2 hours ago, amaff said:

Not that meet your insanely specific, incorrectly used definition, no. 

Otherwise, no, we're definitely not in agreement 

Then we simply agree to disagree.  But just so you know my sanity has long been questioned.

[WRUE951]

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Oh give me a home where the buffalo roam,
Where the deer and the antelope play,

[SteveShannon]

17 hours ago, WSHH887 said:

So we are in agreement that there are no "Native Americans".  

Pedro,

No. The term is accepted by anthropologists, archaeologists, sociologists, and others with an education, whereas your overly narrow definition of “native” was simply intended to troll @ADVBikerRadioGirl and then @amaff, picking an argument where none previously existed. Clearly your lineage is shared with @Socalgmrs.

 

 

[WRUU653]

17 hours ago, WSHH887 said:

So we are in agreement that there are no "Native Americans".  

No. 
If people who’s ancestors have been here for tens thousands of years want to call themselves Native Americans or First Nations or anything else, I would give them the respect of honoring that. 

[MarkInTampa]

I did a server upgrade for a Dentist years ago. After installing the server, software and transferring data everything worked fine EXCEPT the way the teeth are counted/labeled was all wrong. I called customer support and found out that Dentists in England label teeth differently than those in the USA. The fix was to change the default installed language option from "English" to "American".