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I get on GMRS because I like to talk to some people who are only on GMRS and not on amateur radio...

I bet it did. Some discussions are just lightning rods for uncivil behavior. It’s really a shame, too, because our civilization needs civil discussions of politics.

Our repeater group strongly discourages politics on the repeater, but we have our own people who can't help themselves. Personally I don't like discussing politics with anyone anywhere because it's divisive and depressing. But yes, the jammers are in the wrong. Catching and prosecuting them is a whole different story.

It’s a violation of part 97 requirements to interfere with transmissions of another, so the jammers are in the wrong. Nothing else that I say should be interpreted as justification for their actions. Freedom of speech is limited with ham radio. There are authorized transmissions (97.111), prohibited transmissions (97.113) and there are rules set by the repeater owners/control operators. Many repeater owners/operators/clubs prohibit political discussions. That’s their right. Each repeater has a single channel and it’s the only channel available to anyone using that repeater (some digital repeaters might have two channels). Monopolizing that one channel to discuss politics could be seen as inconsiderate by other users; political discussions force everyone waiting for the repeater to listen to political views which could be very divisive. Rag chewing on simplex channels is another matter. But it’s still a violation of part 97 requirements to interfere with transmissions of another, so the jammers are in the wrong, regardless of their motives.

I never thought about using Fixed Stations to connect two different Repeaters. If that's correct (I don't recall anything in the regulations that prohibits it) then you might as well use full duplex. Fixed Stations may transmit on both 462 MHz main channels and 467 MHz main channels, thus they could communicate in full-duplex. They are limited to lower power, but that helps with the technical challenges anyway, as you pointed out. The technical challenges you mention are the biggest challenges. [Repeater] <--- wired connection ---> [Fixed Station] ((((((RF)))))) [Fixed Station] <--- wired connection ---> [Repeater]

i found it interesting yesterday when i was in a conversation with someone and the conversation was somewhat political about the recent classified document scandals. A person whom i know to be a Ham suddenly pings in and tells us the radio waves is not the place to discuss politics.. Well,, I guess this Ham forgot about freedom of speech and the fact that there are basically no GMRS equitecy rules you commonly find on Ham bands,. We didn't budge and continued on with conversation only to listen to an idiot trying to 'Jam' the repeater.. Hmmmm,, I wonder if this malicious 'jammer' was the Hammer. Pretty sure it was - LMAO

100% accurate. I've been on multiple Jeep Jamboree's and I can say most don't know they need a license, nor care. The radio comes out of the box and works.

I didn’t make it very clearly. My point is that 90% of the GMRS users with whom I’m personally acquainted use it simply as a communications medium when they’re many miles away from civilization. They don’t know about or care about repeaters; they’re using simplex in the 462 MHz frequencies. They use it because cell phones don’t work where they’re recreating. For them it’s not a hobby or a vocation. It’s simply a tool that enhances, and in some ways enables, the enjoyment of their hobbies. For most of them the Garmin Rino is the only GMRS radio they’ve ever owned. They chose GMRS strictly because of the ability to see where the others are and to mark locations to share with each other. I cannot disagree with you about why we should be licensed, but the fact is that most outdoor recreational GMRS users never will unless they get deeper into it like those of us on this forum. We on this forum are not an example of the average outdoor recreation user of GMRS and probably never will be.

There is an easy way to fix this: Turn the knob to a different channel.

How will passing the ham test make the GMRS Pro useful?

You could; there's just a few extra considerations when going that route - You will (presumably) have higher transmit power on the repeater output site that will make the RX side in the 462 band more difficult to manage This could let FRS users make their way onto the repeater Your system will potentially have presence on 3 of the 462 main channels.

Looks like it’s made for Ozark Trail by Gocom: https://fccid.io/2ARRE2019LT001/User-Manual/user-manual-4481388

You can always listen to the 467 frequencies. There are limitations to transmitting. Here’s what the regulations say about that: 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance with § 95.319(c). The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz.

@tweiss3 Thank you! That’s exactly the level of detail I hoped to hear.

It means they need to turn off their radio for a few minutes and go outside and get some sunshine.

Lord knows I am not afraid to modify a house. I have perforated, ventilated, and fenestrated every wall repeatedly in years of remodeling. For the purpose of future portability, I am not sure I am ready to put in multiple stubs just so I can occasionally relocate my base unit. The more I look at these jumpers, the more it makes sense to utilize one for the current house, where the windows really don't get actuated often. The next house will get stubs.

Alex, I think you read way too much into his previous posts. He wasn’t arguing against licensing. I felt that he was pointing out the same thing I was: that only a small minority of GMRS users get licensed and that it’s a waste of time and energy to lose sleep over it, I.e. Let it Go. It was a comment on the status quo, not a post advocating anarchy. And I like Frozen as well, and the song. Watching my grandkids enjoy it and sing the song is great. ? Happy New Year, my friend! Steve

Thanks for the answer, although two last paragraphs are way off the mark. But anyway, you answered.

That's @MichaelLAXto YOU!

I realize there's more involved than just plugging in cables. The SWR meter is 1.01, and 36.44 watts. The duplexer is an XLT, and the wires from the radios are LMR-400. The small gmrs antenna is a test. My friends are 8-10 miles away, and I'm on top of a hill.

As soon as you go to the link to locate your antenna. Drag the antenna in the center of the map to your location. Then zoom in closer, and drag the antenna closer to your location. MichaelLAX posted the maps which really helped. i

What you're looking to do is called linking - there's several ways to pull this off, the more modern being VoIP linking. You can't just flip one repeater over and put them together and expect to hear anything other than just a giant feedback loop. If you're not wanting to use IP hardware to link repeaters together, you can use a simplex link radio between them - GMRS allows this in the 467 main channels (this would be considered fixed-to-fixed station), and while it can be done effectively, it's not without it's challenges since your link radio is transmitting fairly close to your repeater's receiving frequency when there's traffic. It requires very sharp filtering, careful antenna selection so that the link radio is in the repeater's "null", excellent repeater hardware with a very selective receiver, and lots of vertical separation between your repeater antenna and link antenna. You'd also want to reduce power on your link radio as much as possible (a couple watts), use a directional antenna to recover the reduced power on both ends of the system, and you'd also want to plan your spectrum use so that they're on opposite ends (eg. your repeater listens on 467.550 and the link radio transmits on 467.725 to the other repeater, which could be on 467.550 if there's minimal overlap, but most likely 467.575). All three frequencies need to be clear and not in a position to interfere with other GMRS repeater stations (this is a non-start if you live in an urban area) This is not exactly a newcomer type setup, but it can work well. Again, this is if you do not want to use an IP or other telephonic type setup (T1) - which you should seriously consider doing, it's much easier to just use the internet, and if you don't want to use the internet, private IP gear using ubiquity or mikrotik is really not very difficult to set up (but does require line of sight between sites) I'm also assuming you'd want to follow the rules and not use MURS for linking, which would be the easiest approach but has ethical decisions to be made.

It probably wouldn’t be wise to put it on a window that you open and close often, but other than that I cannot think of any reason it wouldn’t have a long life. The pass through portion is metal and seems quite durable. The losses are published. I haven’t experienced any degradation to the SO-239 on the external wall. Both SO-239 connectors are permanently attached to the wall. I suppose you could paint the exposed metal to enhance weather resistance. There are other alternatives: a very long barrel connector that goes through the exterior wall. All of the online radio stores carry them. They’re not very expensive, but you need to do some drilling and sealing. Or the MFJ panels that slide in next to your window and provide multiple types of connections. That’s the most expensive option, but provides a lot of flexibility. A panel box with a pass-through conduit. That’s actually the best way because it usually includes a copper ground plate and lightning protection, but it requires the most physical changes to your house.

Here is video from some guy who installed CTC-50M in his house.

Don't even think about talking religion. ?

What code ? The one that expired almost 3 years ago ?

Actually I do if you you know if I have this is correctly set up for WRCA670 on 462.700 MHz?

I'm Ryan based out of Anchorage. New to GMRS myself and still figuring out everything and finding a working repeater in Anchorage seems to not exist unless someone can correct me on it.

I have one of the Comet window pass-thru jumpers. It’s well built and works very well. I use it for an HF transceiver. Note that it’s only rated for 40 watts for UHF.

Here’s the regulations regarding frequencies. Note that repeaters are only permitted to transmit in the “a) 462 MHz Main Channels”: a) 462 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz. (b) 462 MHz interstitial channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable and base stations may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125, 462.6375, 462.6625, 462.6875, and 462.7125 MHz. (c) 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance with § 95.319(c). The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz. (d) 467 MHz interstitial channels. Only hand-held portable units may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5625, 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625, 467.6875, and 467.7125 MHz.

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I’m not arguing against your logic or your ideals. I’m just pointing out the reality of the situation. Most people don’t get licensed for GMRS and for the most part their activities don’t affect those who do.

Now you’ve got it. Most people do ignore the license requirement and GMRS accountability is a myth that even the FCC disregards the unless someone does something really bad.

Hey guys. Just updated our Alaska Club page with all the available repeaters in the state that I know of. If something else needs to be added or I missed something or any other tips and info I should post let me know. If you haven't joined our club yet please feel free to swing by and join it is open for all. Thanks!

Because they were written by bureaucrat lawyers, not 'normal' people. LOL

Unfortunately, there are dicks everywhere. That’s offensive (or at least should be offensive) to all of us. Unless listening is required because you need situational awareness of some kind, I would just block that channel from being scanned. If it continues, record it and turn it in to the FCC, but chances are they won’t do anything about it. If you feel personally threatened (not just offended) then call the police.

GMRS is a radio service for people who want to communicate while they are doing stuff. HAM is a radio service for people who want to communicate while they are doing nothing. HAMs on GMRS are people who want to live vicariously through people who are doing stuff, while doing nothing. I am kidding. I am truly thankful for all of the knowledge, experience, and information that generous HAMs have been able to pass on to me and others so that we can use the airwaves effectively. If not for them, we would all have to figure it out our _______ selves...or not at all.

I use GMRS because my wife and I can communicate with it. I'm a ham, she's not, so it works for us. I don't use 440 on ham frequencies because there's not much activity on it where I am. My ham friends and I use two meters all the time. There shouldn't be animosity between ham and GMRS, because it's simply two different methods. There's bad eggs on both sides. Don't be one, that's what I think.

That's the interesting thing I noticed too with the FCC grants. Part of the documentation for each radio model I own is get the FCC grant info, which shows the frequency, power, modulation type and rules part the radio is certified under. Where some of the UHF radios that have multiple ranges and have both Part 90 and 95 certifications are the models that DON'T cover the ham bands. For example the NX-300 models I have in my collection. See attached files and look at the FCC ID's in the brochure for the different band splits. NX-300 FCC Grant - 1.pdf NX-300 FCC Grant - 2.pdf NX-200_300.pdf

I guess the question at this point is WHY is there 5 pages of discussion on a topic that is simple to answer. A radio that is PART 90 certified for commercial radio use is acceptable and legal for use on GMRS. Modified ham radios are NOT PART 90 certified and therefore are NOT allowed to be used on GMRS Although the will 'work'. This applies to repeaters as well as portables and mobiles. We seem to want to beat this stuff into the ground here and I fail to understand why that is. GMRS is in the middle of the UHF PART 90 frequency allocation. So from a technical standpoint, there would be no reason to think they wouldn't be allowed. Keep in mind that a ham radio for UHF (420 to 450Mhz) operated on GMRS is being operated 17Mhz outside of it's design parameters. Where a commercial radio that is PART 90 (450 to 470/512Mhz) is running INSIDE the design bandwidth of the radio. Now of course, there are considerations for power output that have to be followed. Some frequencies are lower power and some mobiles and portables will NOT turn down far enough to be legal to operate on the simplex GMRS frequencies. So you simply set those channels as receive only or don't program them in radios that can't turn down to a legal power output level.

If you are using a UV-5G, you dont need to use the offset. Step by step: Go to a channel that says REPTR and an number. Press "Menu", Press the Up arrow until you get to "T-DCS" or "T-CTCS" Press "Menu" Use the Up or Down arrow until you find the number that corresponds to the tone e.g. 141.3 or 156.7 etc Press "Menu" Now do the same thing for "R-DCS" or "R-CTCS" Press "ecs" and key up

The NotaR never posted a video telling you to manually enter a +5Mhz offset on the UV-5G... Source: I've watched all NotARubicon videos.. Even the old ones. @Borage257 is correct: Select correct repeater channel, enter tone, done..

On the uv5g you just go to the channel of the repeater you want to hit. Then you go to the menu, T-dcs or t-CTCS enter the menu and select what ever tone is desired. or use chirp

I am having the same problem, did you get an answer?

For those wondering, I have two (main) videos about Salton Sea: 1) My walk around the (California's largest) lake in summer temps of 120°F (hour long documentary) : 2: What the U.S. military left behind at the bottom of Salton Sea (30 minute long documentary):

let me boil down the political part for you: Potential major health/ecological disaster known and looming since 2000 or so. If not prevented will adversely affect the health of millions of people from Los Angeles to Phoenix The State of California passes a bill in 2003, which among other things assures us all that everything will be fine by 2017 2017 comes and goes with nothing done OTHER than millions of $$ spent on "studies" to prove what everybody already knows 2022 and now doing anything will be 10 years too late, and any solution will cost 10X more to 'fix' than it would have cost to prevent.. Most estimates say $5-$10 billion- Instead of taking any action, the State of California spends $15-Billion $$ on the worlds slowest bullet train to nowhere, that nobody will ever use. Basically, nobody in Sacramento gives a sh!t, and they've been kicking the can down the road for 20 years. I'm moving to Utah, to everyone stuck in So.Cal/So.Arizona, good luck!