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What? Creating a context so that you can create a platform to contradict someone? OK, since you said that, I will accept that as being the case. Not my specific intent here, but since you choose to point one that was your motivation, I can go with it. Now of course, context, presentation, and lastly grammar is EVERYTHING. You made that as a statement, rather than a question that would imply that I was the one taking refuge. But your presentation is all wrong. By taking what I said, out of context, and then making a specific statement about what I said, you in effect agreed with it. And in doing so implied YOU were the one taking refuge. Which of course is actually the case. And with reviewing other posts you have created over time, taking those into account along with this, it creates an even better context that it's indeed true that you like creating platforms out of thin air to contradict other's for no other reason than the act of doing it. But that's ok. We all are motivated by different things. And have different personality traits that don't always mess real well with others, but we all seem to be able to more or less get along. And how did a discussion about digital modes on ham radio devolve into this nonsense anyway? I had to go back and look and here's what I am seeing. LScott commented about hams complaining about expensive microphones and then dropping money HF gear. This was a reply to a comment about HHCH configurations which are a thing with commercial P25 gear. So still technically on topic. You disagreed and said cheap wasn't 'appropriate'. Couple comments of real world situations about hams, still within the overall subject matter. And again, you needed to contradict things and point out analogies being stretched. Couple more comments,,, then I posted and you again needed to contradict me, and LScott. And here we totally hijacked once again. I rebut, you again take what I said totally out of context and attempt to further your straw man position. And here we are. So I guess the question becomes, just what is it that motivates you to come in and hijack threads on here? ANd what exactly in this ENTIRE thread that you posted has ANYTHING to do with P25 on ham radio to begin with. I see you contradicting others. I see you create a context out of thin air to further your contradictions, but I don't see ONE DAMN THING that has anything to do with digital VOICE on ham radio.

I use Kenwood TK-8150 for mobiles in the car and in the shack. Great radio, and sounds wonderful. As a plus, I have the remote head kits.

On the 935 on the radio the DPL tones are not listed as an option on CTCSS (leave it off for DPL). DPL has its own menu item called TX-DCS (menu 12) for setting the transmit tone and RX-DCS (menu 11) for the receive tone. If you are using the Wouxun software it's under the CTCSS/DCS option, same place in the software but not the radio itself - go figure.

Little longer, little thinner, more durable. I have a Nagoya that has a little bend in it from the radio falling over and I didn't notice for a couple days. The signal stick gets folded into a u in my backpack and doesn't seem to care. Also available in colors, and the more recent ones are glow in the dark tip on all of them.

Probably similar gain, but you can take a Signal Stick and wind it into a loop and put it in your pocket, or use two of them to make a dipole, or multiple ones of different lengths to make a fan dipole. They’re part of a system. The most important thing they do is make Ham Study available for people who want to study.

Testing my base unit with my son. He was talking to me on the repeater no problem of course. But he called out to me on the Simplex Channel accidentality that we use in our neighborhood and I could hear him 8.5 miles away. I was on my mobile. Orlando has many things in the way and on average I get about 5 miles from the base to handhelds of course but that was amazing. Weather related? Home base is just south of Sea World. I was on Kirkman near Colonial drive. My base antenna is about 30 feet up and I was on ground level

Unless I'm miss reading the waterfall display the frequency is 442.775 MHz which is in the Ham 70cm band. That's not GMRS.

Because people respond to him instead of putting him on their "Ignore User" list like I did the first time he tried to sucker me in to an argument. Believe me, the forums are much more enjoyable that way.

I have some lots in Walkerville if there's interest in putting a GMRS repeater up there. Not living there now but don't know why it couldn't be done. Should provide hella range from there, overlooking the valley toward the Highlands, Fleecer Mtn, Pintlar, I-15 corridor and toward I-90 West toward Deer Lodge.

to add...i found a thread on the topic on radioreference.com that has some suggestions of some 95a certified Kenwoods; one of the posts on page 3 was even kind enough to provide the FCC ids for their list of kenwood (and other) models. https://forums.radioreference.com/threads/part-95-gmrs-radio-list.275040/

I typically use the handheld radios. A favorite model is the TK-3170 or TK-3173. https://forums.mygmrs.com/gallery/image/263-tk-3170jpg/ A number of those have Part 95 certification. If you don’t care about that there are more models to choose from. If I want to operate GMRS mobile I just use them with an external antenna. The radios also are programmed with Ham frequencies too. https://forums.mygmrs.com/gallery/image/249-934916052_radiocollectionjpg/ I have just one Kenwood mobile which I don’t currently use. https://forums.mygmrs.com/gallery/image/250-nx-820ghjpg/

I’ve got one of those 18”x18”x18” all-weather equipment boxes with an extending handle and wheels. I wish it had larger tires so I could tow it behind me while hiking up a hill at our rocket launch site. I also have lots of SLA 7Ah batteries I’d like to use. They’re heavy-ish but that would be mitigated by being able to roll the case behind me. I haven’t done the calculations but I think I’d only need a couple for a Retevis RT97S. Most of the time it will simply be receiving with maybe 5 or 10 minutes of transmitting max. I’ve toyed with doing something like you did using the two Radioddity DB20G mobiles I bought last month, but it would probably end up costing nearly as much as a Retevis RT97S.

CTCSS are analog tones. DPL are digital codes. There is no conversion. Nor are they interchangeable. You will have to learn how and where to select the DPL, also known as DCS, DTCSS, or possibly something else, but all meaning the same thing. It’s usually a different menu item than the CTCSS tone. I don’t have a 935, but someone will probably chime in and tell you which menu choice it is. Under the correct menu there will be a long list of choices. There will also be a column telling whether the codes are normal or inverse.

a DPL is a DCS tone in your radio. You should be able to scroll all the way to the bottom of the list. Lots of videos on You Tube on programming.

If your talking LRM radios yes. I have used the ICOM F420, F221S, F221, F6061 as well as a hand full of the ICOM handhelds. At one point ICOM made a FRS unit but its long been discontinued. All are solid decent units with great receivers. I think @Lscott has a few Kenwood LMR and could answer you on that regard. All my Kenwood LMR stuff is VHF.

Central Virginia - Charlottesville.

Good deal. Since then we have built one in a similar size case with 2 20 watt vhf mobiles set for 15 watts. Additionally we have another in a Big Box with 45 watt mobiles and a huge VHF duplexer (Sinclair) but with 4 35amh batteries takes a 6 wheeler and a small army to setup. We only use this unit on one event thru out the year and it covers a large area.

Hello, new to GMRS, and a ham/SW lurker for years, from central Virginia.

I want to say I've seen the Kenwood tk8180 and/or 880 in use. Kenwood definitely has a few models that carry dual 90/95a certification...none of them are part of the amateur radio line, though. There's a few members here that are big on Kenwood's and can say better than I ( @Lscottperhaps?)

Neither... you talking something lime amateur radio with a MARS/CAP mod?

Well, I was trying to keep stupid out of it. But yes, stupidity is certainly a factor.

Cool, thanks! That's good enough; you don't need to dig for a BOM.

I’m gonna put up a repeater and make it a requirement that everyone must use a roger beep and the more annoying the better. We’ll hold contests! And it’ll be on channel 19. ?

I think the disagreement is on the definition of being cheap. A person that I think of as being cheap buys the cheapest of everything. There’s a consistency to the cheapness. He (or she) would buy a cheap radio and pair it with cheap feedline, a cheap antenna, and a cheap microphone. Based on that definition a person who buys an expensive radio isn’t cheap, even if they pair it with a cheap microphone or questionable feedline. They may be working with a finite budget. They might have really poor judgment. They might just be stupid. But by the act of buying an expensive radio they have disqualified themselves from being called “cheap.” And I agree, when it comes to hobbies, I see a lot of people who try to do as much as they can to save money in some ways that prove to be questionable. Ham radio is no different. A lot of retirees with a budget try to build their ham shack by budgeting one expensive item each year, but they need something to get them by in the short term, so there are lots of $1300 radios paired with $60 antenna kits (using my own example).

I had great luck with attic mounted antennas, until I replaced the old roof with a metal one of course Then metal foil faced insulation went into place. As for my VHF/UHF/7/800 MHz radio antennas, they all went to metal brackets on an 8 foot high fence. Even with lower height, but shorter coax runs (about 12 foot shorter on RG-58, and about 8 feet less height, I did not notice my range decrease to anything I spoke to via radio. In my case going from the attic to a fence was not a problem. What I miss though is the discretion. Nobody even knew I was into radio when everything was in the attic. I have only had one dog walking passerby ask about the antenna (I think he only saw one of them [Laird 1/4 style on NMO magnet mounts]), but it was better when nothing could be seen from outside the house. Being high on a hill I averaged about 17 miles LOS in VHF, 14-15 for UHF and roughly 12 7/800 MHz with attic mounted antennas. I seem to be getting the same now on the fence post.

The aluminum tape idea is great. I have experienced many magnet mounts being thrown away before anyone had a look under that mylar. In Hawaii I took some off and saw that every mount had the center conductor corroded off underneath. I ended up re-soldering them and putting them back into service. Well, at least the ones that were not too corroded apart in other areas as well. These were mostly Laird brand. A co-worker used gutter tape (tar and foil based) available at the big box home improvement store across the street from Pier 34 in Honolulu.

No debate from me on the fact that what the rule says is that hams can use any *amateur* frequency in an emergency. I will, however, disagree with your assertion that "Most hams" think otherwise. Some? Oh definitely. But not most.

That's an incorrect statement. They are allowed to use any Amateur Radio Frequency only. I'm sure this will spark a debate but that's the rules. Most hams will bend them to allow them to talk on public safety and other frequencies claiming the rule.

Note that those images are AZIMUTH images as specific elevation angles. My plots are elevation images. For a dipole, azimuth plots are boring. Perfect circle...

Howdy all. New to GMRS, just got that and my ham technician license a little while back (planning to bump to the general next week and AE sometime down the line). Looking forward to learning about things and getting involved in the community. Located in AZ, southeast of Phoenix.

Many scanning systems provide three options: Carrier Operated (resume when carrier drops), Time Operated (resume after n-seconds EVEN IF THERE IS STILL TRAFFIC), and Stop Scan on traffic. Some radios may have a secondary control for CO -- specifying a pause before resume. You'd have to check the manual/menus for the radio to see if such exists. (Based upon the PDF -- the only option seems to be scan on/off, and from your description, the only mode is CO). The KG935 offers TO/CO/SE (Stop, they call it SEarch) options, but states that CO will continue as soon as the signal is lost The AT-D878UV+ (dual band amateur) has TO/CO/SE, but states that CO resumes 2 seconds after signal loss. BTech GMRS-V2 TO/CO/SE CO "after a factory preset time with no signal it resumes scanning" (TO is "factory preset time out...") DB20-G (mobile unit) scan modes are 2SP, 5ST, 10ST, 15ST -- SP is the only option for CO mode, 2 seconds after signal drop; ST is TO mode choices.

A little googling and I answered my own question. Thx

Some of the early UV9GPro and the UV9GLite had Roger beeps, but IIRC, the bulk of the UV9GPro units do not have a Roger Beep.. Due to the outcry of customers from around the world, they added it back for the UV9GX. Mid power is now 2watts, high power is still 5watts.. I dont remember what low power is, but its the same as the the UV9GPro. I'm only telling you this because YOU are my favorite user here at MyGMRS ...

I have one right here on my desk.. It's a nice upgrade the the UV9G.. The release has been delayed due to supply chain/shipping issues, but it should be available soon (my GUESS is 30-60 days, but this is only a guess).. Some new stuff on the UV9Gx: theme able color schemes much brighter LED flashlight stiffer knobs can receive down to 219Mhz more power control settings for better battery life a priority channel button, pre-set to the official highway channel, CH19 more pre-programmed frequenicies and most important a ROGER BEEP .................affiliate link below.. Oops.. sorry.. bad habit.