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People need to read the rules before believing some of the stuff they get on the 'net. The rules don't limit the number of repeaters, just the number of frequency pairs, GMRS "main channels", they can use, currently the rules list 8 RX and 8 TX frequencies. As a side note I don't see anything that requires the RX and TX frequencies to be exactly 5MHz apart either so long as you use one of the 8 TX and one of the RX ones listed in the rules. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E/section-95.1763 You can have as many repeaters as you want on a frequency pair so long as the frequency is shared with other users.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNLQ-O-Qx3Y
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By an inline attenuator. Put that on the output. I got this one used for about $50 a while back as an example. I also have a set of low power Weinschel's to use with an old HP power meter. Narda Fixed Attenuators.pdf Models 1 and 2.pdf HP432A Specifications.pdf
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Frequency/channel CTCSS/DCS charts - Need fact-checkers!
Lscott replied to Blaise's topic in General Discussion
Try the attached files. Canada VHF LADD Channel List .pdf CB Radio Around The World.pdf Civil Air Patrol.pdf Common Itinerant and Business.pdf Freenet-2.pdf KDR444.pdf 1156812829_PMR446WhitePaper.pdf Railroad - Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference.pdf VHF Marine Frequencies - 1.pdf -
How many people really use the VHF radio MURS service?
Lscott replied to Lscott's topic in Multi-Use Radio Service (MURS)
I looked it up since the official RR frequency list can be found in the attached file and the ones you listed didn't look like what I expected. Of course there could be additional ones assigned by the FCC for special uses. Got curious and had to check. I have a code plug written with all of the official VHF FM and NXDN digital railroad channels for a Kenwood NX-200 radio. The portable radios used mostly by the railroads are from Kenwood and Icom. https://comms.kenwood.com/common/pdf/download/02_NX-200G&300GBrochure.pdf I haven't really tried it yet. If anyone is interested I've attached a copy. It also has some of the Ham 2M simplex channels, MURS and the VHF NOAA weather frequencies too. With 512 available channels it wasn't much of a squeeze. Railroad - Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference.pdf NX-200 Railroad 20220422.dat -
Petitioning to get a few VHF frequencies added to GMRS
Lscott replied to a topic in FCC Rules Discussion
Very unlikely. If one wants VHF access use MURS. Want HF access use 11M CB radio. Want more channels, power, repeaters and bands get a Ham license. That's going to be their logical response. -
How many people really use the VHF radio MURS service?
Lscott replied to Lscott's topic in Multi-Use Radio Service (MURS)
I did a search on the FCC site for the exact frequency of 151.625 just to see what pops up, a HUGE number of hits. Only a few look like they have anything to do with railroads. 2187 WREJ974 RAILROAD CONSTRUCTION CO OF SOUTH JERSEY, INC. 0028698892 IG Active 10/17/2029 2188 WRFR834 RAILSERVE INC 0028619906 IG Active 04/20/2030 2189 WQVF999 Railworks Track Systems 0024232860 IG Active 01/30/2025 -
How many people really use the VHF radio MURS service?
Lscott replied to Lscott's topic in Multi-Use Radio Service (MURS)
Given the frequency split between the 151 MHz and 154 MHz frequencies that wouldn't be too hard. Of course it isn't legal. -
Cross over from 650 to 6375 & 6625 ...??
Lscott replied to Photoman5k's question in Technical Discussion
Yes, they already have several modes in use under their license free PMR service. They have the narrow band FM, similar to our old FRS, the low power DMR and Digital PMR. The issue is getting the FCC onboard with doing any kind of digital voice mode on GMRS. They have been very resistant to the idea. 1021937093_PMR446WhitePaper.pdf -
Is this a good location for these two antennas?
Lscott replied to WRFH675's question in Technical Discussion
The hood location will compromise your range. The better place was on the roof. I had a roof rack mount on my old Jeep. The cable ran down the side of the rear hatch opening. I used some duck tape to hold the cable in place along the opening and then ran the cable through at the bottom with a “drip leg”. The hatch door covered up the tape so you can’t see it. That way any rain would run down the cable and not get through the hatch seal. -
Cross over from 650 to 6375 & 6625 ...??
Lscott replied to Photoman5k's question in Technical Discussion
Interesting comment. I think those channels could be put to better use IMHO. In another thread there is a suggestion to use those interstitial channels for the addition of digital voice mode. Using a narrow enough digital signal overlap with the "official" 20KHz adjacent GMRS main channels could be reduce to less than the current 11KHz narrow FRS FM, or eliminated. There are some digital voice modes that only use 4KHz bandwidth and would fit in without overlapping the GMRS main channels. Might even run at much higher power too, like at least 5 watts, the limit for hand held GMRS radios. -
Nagoya 200C 155/460 antenna: Radials or not? A backyard test.
Lscott replied to fremont's topic in Equipment Reviews
This is another model file for a 5/8 wave MURS antenna. In this case there are 4 horizontal ground radials. Beside a series inductive element I need to use a 1/4 transmission line matching section to bring the SWR down to near 1:1 at the design center frequency, that's between the 151 MHz and 154 MHz channel frequencies. Without the transmission line matching section the match isn't that great. Looks like the radials really should be angled downward. I also tried a J-Pole model at MURS too. MURS J-Pole Rev 2.EZ MURS Five-Eights Wave GP - Rev 3.EZ -
Nagoya 200C 155/460 antenna: Radials or not? A backyard test.
Lscott replied to fremont's topic in Equipment Reviews
Antenna modeling takes some intuitive insight. Also have to get a feel for the limitations of the modeling tool(s) as well. The high segment count I used was to keep the feed point and series inductive load located at the bottom of the main vertical element. The 5/8 wave antenna requires a series inductive element to match correctly. The dual band antenna I haven't tried to model yet. One reason is you need multiple elements, at the higher frequency, in series using phasing elements or line sections to get the element currents to line up phase wise. Trying to figure out how to do that with a modeling program will take time and good educated guesses on how to do that and get believable results. -
https://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/landmobile/portables/v10mr/default.aspx https://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/landmobile/portables/v3mr/default.aspx
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The FCC wants either 6.25KHz bandwidth or the equivalent at some future point in time. When that might happen is anyone's guess. DMR can do the "equivalent" part since it can run two voice streams in a 12.5KHz channel bandwidth. The one attractive part of DMR is the ability to build a repeater without the necessity of using expensive and bulky cavity filters. This is the so-called SFR, single frequency repeater. The hand units would TX, for example, on slot 1 and RX on slot 2. The repeater would RX on slot 1 and TX on slot 2. All of this transpires on the same frequency. To change the repeater frequency simply requires switching to another frequency by all involved users. No cavity filter re-tuning required. I've read many comments about how one mode sounds better that another. Consider that DMR, P25 and NXDN all use the same exact vocoder, the AMBE2+, which can run at two different data rates. When running the same data rate, NXDN has two by the way typically offered by Kenwood radios, any differences likely has more to do with other factors with the radio and not the mode as such. Otherwise they should all sound about the same based on the vocoder itself. Where things get sticky with DMR is when a particular site has no need for the extra voice stream, effectively it goes to waste so you end up with one voice stream occupying a 12.5KHz channel. Unless two separate sites have radios with DCDM, duel capacity direct mode and within range of each other, the radios can't sync to a master time slot signal. You also then have to coordinate between sites who uses which time slot etc. This would just make the job of the frequency coordinator far more difficult. The job of the frequency coordinator is to reduce or eliminate interference between sites by distance and frequency diversity means, just the opposite of what DCDM would require. A true 6.25KHz bandwidth would allow the frequency coordinator more flexibility to assign channels since there would be more of them, physically, due to the narrower bandwidth possible. Not every site out there needs a repeater, the usual source for the master slot timing signal, simplex communications works fine for them. This point is very often overlooked by proponents of DMR.
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Nagoya 200C 155/460 antenna: Radials or not? A backyard test.
Lscott replied to fremont's topic in Equipment Reviews
Try this model file. Five Eights Wave Rev 5.EZ -
I just wonder how well it's going to work since the cable/wires are not shielded. The cable/wires go right through in close proximity to the RF power stage. You might have been better off punching a hole in the bottom or side of the face plate and running the cable through there. As a side note I have one of these radios and I'm not impressed with the receiver performance. The radio has poor selectivity in the presence of strong in band signals. A few channels I've had to lockout due to fire paging calls, some from 10+ miles away, showing up on channels I'm sure they really don't operate on. I don't pick these calls up on my other radios. I guess for a $110 CCR ,what I paid, that shouldn't be a big surprise.
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Why no state issued GMRS call sign license plates?
Lscott replied to Lscott's topic in General Discussion
Unless the state reserves that format block there isn't isn't anything you can do about it. Contrasted to Ham call plates, at least here in Michigan, you have to show proof of your license before they will issue the plate. The fees are the same as an ordinary plate so you don't pay extra for it. At least I've never noticed if they did charge extra. -
There is a wide spectrum of charge controllers. What he needs is very dependent on the particular equipment, batteries and panel array. If the panel array/size is large compared to the battery bank then try to find a charge controller that can be "programmed" to limit charge current, voltage points etc. I have several "good" charge controllers from this company. https://sunforgellc.com/product/gv-5/ My solar panels range in size from as small as 5 watts up to 100 watts. I pick the panel size to match the charge controller and battery pack I want to charge, I have several LiFePO4 types from 3.3AH to 40AH. However the charge controllers I have are not "programmable". So, what is a "good" charge controller in one system design may not be so good in another.
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Well in reality it's no for the simple cheap ones. Of course there are some exceptions. The purpose of a charge controller is to terminate the charging phase when the battery reaches the full charge state. Some of the controllers use a "charge algorithm or profile" to controll the charging process based on the battery's terminal voltage. For the simple PWM type charge controllers they effectively connect the solar panel straight to the battery terminals. The resulting terminal voltage is whatever the internal voltage is plus the voltage rise required to overcome the internal resistance at the panel's output current. So if the solar panel can output 10 amps, for example, at 12 VDC, approximate battery terminal voltage under charge, that's what you're going to get. A MPPT by definition will try to push whatever maximum power it can squeeze out of a panel into the battery. I've attached a few of the files I have in my electronic library on solar and wind power. 91069768_WhichsolarchargecontrollerPWM-or-MPPT.pdf GrapeSolar GS-Star-100W.pdf Renogy RNG-100D June 2015.pdf 1518183678_RenogyRNG-50DLatest.pdf Renogy RNG-30D June 2015.pdf 1017403390_DesignandDevelopmentofBatteriesForSolarPhotovoltaicApplications.pdf
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Why no state issued GMRS call sign license plates?
Lscott replied to Lscott's topic in General Discussion
One other issue is cops having a problem with "scanners" in vehicles. Some Hams make it a standard practice to turn off their mobile radio if they get pulled over. If the cop sees your radio "scanning" they automatically assume it's a "scanner" not a two-way radio. In some states scanners are prohibited. Having your Ham rig scanning may get you a ticket. In some very rare cases the radio was confiscated requiring a trip to traffic court to get it back. The cops in general have no clue about the exceptions so you'll find Hams that keep a copy of the local/state motor vehicle code with the specific exceptions for Hams in the glove-box. -
My Range Experience Using Baofeng handhelds
Lscott replied to OffRoaderX's topic in General Discussion
In fact many radios fail in that area, including some of the better ham gear. The typical short cuts are reducing the drive to the FM modulator to limit the deviation to 2.5KHz, and bumping up the audio gain by a factor of two. The worse part is they still use the same wide band IF filter in the RX path, cost saving, in the radio so you lose the benefit of using the closer channel spacing. The more expensive commercial radios do the same but have two sets of IF filters, one wide and the other narrow, to allow use of the closer channel spacing. After all that's why the FCC mandated narrow band in the first place. Also as some people have noticed even with properly designed narrow band radios there is some range reduction. The attached file goes into some detail on that point. For range you can use the simplified formula: (Range to optical horizon in miles) = (Antenna height above ground in feet) * squareroot(2) This would be for one radio. To get the path do the calculation for each radio and add the distances together. Narrowband vs Wideband.pdf Radio Horizon.pdf -
Radios fail from time to time. That's why there are repair shops. Sometimes the repair cost isn't worth it. You can spend less or about the same buying another used radio.
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Yup. People forget that hand held radios were never intended for high duty cycle, long winded, communications. Some work better than others in that use case. I've used a few of the palm sized radios where after a few minutes of moderate TX they were getting "uncomfortable" to hold. In the winter time they would make great hand warmers.
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0ne area that doesn't get much attention is the charge rate on the battery. I was at a Ham Radio swap a year or so back where one guy was selling emergency power boxes with one or two 7AH sealed lead acid batteries in them and connected up to a 100 watt solar panel. That last bit was scary. One of the often overlooked specification on rechargeable batteries is the max charge rate. On the unambitious 7AH sealed lead acid battery that max charge rate is around 2 to 2.5 amps. Anything higher will likely result in damage to the battery, bubbles in the gel which won't go away, for the older gel-cell, to gas generation, hydrogen and oxygen, which is vented to the air and results in a permanent loss of electrolyte for AGM types. So, for a 2 amp max charge rate, and assuming a 12VDC nominal terminal voltage for a discharged battery, the max usable solar panel power is 24 watts. Your typical solar panel will usually deliver about 70% to 75% of the manufacture's STC rating. So, for 24 watts that works out to a standard panel rating of 32 watts at 75%. Doing the same calculation for 2.5 amps results in a max standard panel rating of 40 watts. You have to check the data sheet for the battery you have to figure out the max safe charge rate. BP7-12.pdf UB1272 F2.pdf