SteveShannon

John,
We must both be equally dense. It looks like you have it set correctly. Try getting closer to the repeater. 

You need to program a +5.000 offset on the that repeater channel ... line 27 in the pic.  That way when you hit the transmit key to talk your radio will use frequency 467.650 with a tone of 123.0, but your radio will listen for a response on frequency 462.650 with no 123.0 tone (because you picked "tone" instead of "TSQL").  Make that change, go outside, key up on that channel and ask if anyone can hear you.  And, don't listen to your friend about your non-type certified radio.  Just enjoy your new toy for all that it can do.  No one will know.  More importantly, no one important will care if your radio isn't GMRS type certified.  

John,
We must both be equally dense. It looks like you have it set correctly. Try getting closer to the repeater. 

I'll keep an eye out for one, and if it's cheap enough I might go for it. I'm primarily a Kenwood guy. I do have a few Chinese radios, a few Motorola's and Icom's.
I just dropped $120 on a used Kenwood NX-320 off eBay. Got it yesterday. This one had the 400-470 band split. I have one already but it's the higher split range and won't run below about 443MHz. I wanted a version of that model that covers the Ham band.
https://forums.mygmrs.com/gallery/image/418-nx-320jpeg/?context=new
I have a bunch of DMR radios as it is now. In fact I have WAY too many radios.
The ones I have cover D-Star, dPMR, DMR, NXDN and P25 Phase 1 so far. Nothing for System Fusion yet.
 

Sorry, I double-posted. Apparently I can't just delete my post.

Yes, a 5 watt GMRS handheld and external antenna is more comparable in capabilities and performance to CB, but the question raised by this thread was specifically about FRS versus CB. 

For me, I did briefly look at the Q10G, but the 935G Plus uses my 905G battery and I had just ordered the cigarette charger for my 905G, so I know it will still work with the 935. I like the look of the 935 screen better and the 935 is $70 cheaper

We’re at that age (I assume) where we help those who need help. It’s not always easy but it’s rewarding in its own right.  

Exactly.  The reason I ordered the UV380 was because I’d been programming code plugs for a blind/deaf (mostly) ham friend.  The OpenGD77 and OpenUV380 software supports a fairly rich set of voice prompts which are a huge benefit to my friend.  For the Anytone/Alinco model I found that the only way to make channels easier for him were to exactly duplicate the channels for every DMR zone. That way he could memorize the numbers of the zones and the numbers of the channels within the zones.  So, channels 191, 291, 391, … all pointed to Talk group 91, the North American talk group, differing only in zone number. But as you say that’s a lot of duplication and ends up with many channels that differ minimally.  The OpenGD77 model is much more intuitive.

Happy New Year to you as well.  Here’s a link to the regulations: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E
 
 

The regulations say nothing about being in the same household.  They simply say:
Any individual who holds an individual license may allow his or her immediate family members to operate his or her GMRS station or stations. Immediate family members are the licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws.
But they do require that the licensed individual retain control of his/her stations while being used by someone they have authorized.

It happens to the receiver, although a strong enough RF signal could certainly interfere with a transmitter. 

It wasn’t a stupid question.  

It helps a lot when the GMRS radios are small enough to fit in your pocket. The huge silver telescope antenna on a hand held CB looks like some kind of exotic taser weapon to non technical people. Just holding on to the end of the antenna and swinging it around makes for a reasonably useful club too.

This chart is inaccurate and is mostly confusing and contrary to the rules in Parts 95.567 and 95.1767 in respect to RF output power levels for both the FRS and GMRS radio services. The rules state that Channels 1-7 are regulated to 2 watts ERP for non-licensed FRS service and 5 watts ERP for licensed GMRS service. The left chart indicates channels 1-7 for both FRS & GMRS are regulated to a .5 watt and that is incorrect.  The right chart indicates that Channels 8-14 are regulated to .5 watt ERP for FRS and that is correct, and 5 watts for GMRS and that is incorrect, all transmitter transmitting on these channels are regulated to a .5 watt ERP, regardless of the two radio services. 
The left chart indicates that channels 15-22 are regulated to 2 watts ERP and that is correct.
Both charts indicates that the 462 (462.550, 462.575, 462.600, 462.625, 462.650, 462.675, 462.700, and 462.725) and 467 (467.550, 467.575, 467.600, 467.625, 467.650, 467.675, 467.700, and 467.725) Main Channels are regulated to 50 watts and that is correct, except for the 467 main channels, they are regulated to 15 watts for fixed class station operations.
The 50-watt output is not limited to the measurement of antenna ERP for the 462 & 467 main channels. The 50-watt output limit is the measurement of power out of the transmitter before the antenna and there is no limit of the ERP of the antenna.

What a wealth of information this has become for me in understanding how things work and what is authorized in accordance § 95.1763 GMRS channels. Sometimes you have to slow down to speed up, if that makes any sense to you. Thank you, all of you for this help!

FRS-GMRS Channels Layout.pdf

I like the chart for how is visually displays the channels and frequencies, didn't even look (or care) about the power limit thing. I've got a similar chart for shipboard communications in kind of the same format, it's just the first one I've seen for GMRS.
 

Here’s the actual text, but I think you’re reading too much into it.  The licensee can maintain control by verbally commanding a person:

(2) The licensee must maintain access to and control over all stations authorized under its license.

Welcome! I’m new myself, both to GMRS and the forum. I’ve made a permission request to a repeater owner through the repeater map on this site and was granted permission rather quickly. I’m not saying it’s the only way, or even the preferred means of requesting permission, but it worked in my case. 

That works perfectly. I didn’t even think to do that. Thank you very much.

There are some things to be careful of.  If you get a LiFePO4 battery and intend to charge it from the alternator, there are special chargers that need to be used to avoid burning out your alternator.  There are lots of YouTube videos about it.  I haven’t done it and have no experience.

We’re at that age (I assume) where we help those who need help. It’s not always easy but it’s rewarding in its own right.  

We’re at that age (I assume) where we help those who need help. It’s not always easy but it’s rewarding in its own right.  

Hi John,
For GMRS and FRS, the FCC has designated 22 specific frequencies for our simplex use and 8 more for transmitting to the repeater. 
The channels are interlaced. So tuning to an “in-between” frequency might be interfering with other services or other channels. 
You’ll definitely want to read the regulations to see what frequencies we are allowed and the power and bandwidth:

§ 95.1763 GMRS channels.
The GMRS is allotted 30 channels—16 main channels and 14 interstitial channels. GMRS stations may transmit on any of the channels as indicated below.
(a) 462 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz.
(b) 462 MHz interstitial channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable and base stations may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 462.5625, 462.5875, 462.6125, 462.6375, 462.6625, 462.6875, and 462.7125 MHz.
(c) 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance with § 95.319(c). The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz.
(d) 467 MHz interstitial channels. Only hand-held portable units may transmit on these 7 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 467.5625, 467.5875, 467.6125, 467.6375, 467.6625, 467.6875, and 467.7125 MHz.