PART 95 VIOLATIONS ON FRS/GMRS CHANNEL 1 IN PHOENIX AREA

[Northcutt114]

5 hours ago, Lscott said:

Currently there are NO digital voice modes allowed on either GMRS or FRS.

I had absolutely no idea. 

[WRUE951]

9 hours ago, Northcutt114 said:

In this thread, I learned that DMR is not allowed on GMRS frequencies. 

[WRUE951]

9 hours ago, Northcutt114 said:

In this thread, I learned that DMR is not allowed on GMRS frequencies. 

Ya think 

[WRUE951]

9 hours ago, Northcutt114 said:

In this thread, I learned that DMR is not allowed on GMRS frequencies. 

Ya think 

[AdmiralCochrane]

Stop stuttering

[WRUE951]

29 minutes ago, AdmiralCochrane said:

Stop stuttering

can't delete.  wish there was that option.   or am I missing it?  

[SteveShannon]

1 hour ago, WRUE951 said:

can't delete.  wish there was that option.   or am I missing it?  

I think it’s limited to premium members who have achieved a certain level. It appears as an option under the three dots.

 

[WRUE951]

1 hour ago, SteveShannon said:

I think it’s limited to premium members who have achieved a certain level. It appears as an option under the three dots.

 

well snap..  looks like I got 5K more to go..  

[WQAI363]

I really forget where, but somewhere in Pennsylvania a business or organization had FRS / GMRS channels using P-25 or NXD. Of course, using either mode in that radio service is forbidden according to FCC rules and regulations.

 

[WRUE951]

1 hour ago, WQAI363 said:

I really forget where, but somewhere in Pennsylvania a business or organization had FRS / GMRS channels using P-25 or NXD. Of course, using either mode in that radio service is forbidden according to FCC rules and regulations.

 

according..........

[NCJeb]

1 hour ago, WRUE951 said:

according..........

At risk of the Queen saying I need to go outside again:

§ 95.1787, specifically that digital transmissions can only have specific contents (position, text messages, etc), and must be no longer than 1 second in length

§ 95.1771, spelling out exactly which types of emissions are allowed for GMRS. In summary (and yes, I DEFINITELY learned something unexpected here): 

- Digital data via FM, AM, phase modulation, and various forms of single sideband (subject to 95.1787 above)

- Analog voice, via FM, AM, phase modulation, and various forms of single sideband

- Digital data with subcarrier, via FM and phase modulation (also subject to above)

 

So while perhaps a bit off topic, but maybe we should all start asking when we’ll get AM and single sideband voice capable GMRS rigs from radio manufacturers, utilizing our full license capabilities?

[WRUE951]

44 minutes ago, NCJeb said:

At risk of the Queen saying I need to go outside again:

§ 95.1787, specifically that digital transmissions can only have specific contents (position, text messages, etc), and must be no longer than 1 second in length

§ 95.1771, spelling out exactly which types of emissions are allowed for GMRS. In summary (and yes, I DEFINITELY learned something unexpected here): 

- Digital data via FM, AM, phase modulation, and various forms of single sideband (subject to 95.1787 above)

- Analog voice, via FM, AM, phase modulation, and various forms of single sideband

- Digital data with subcarrier, via FM and phase modulation (also subject to above)

 

So while perhaps a bit off topic, but maybe we should all start asking when we’ll get AM and single sideband voice capable GMRS rigs from radio manufacturers, utilizing our full license capabilities?

China will sell you one. 

[Northcutt114]

4 hours ago, WQAI363 said:

I really forget where, but somewhere in Pennsylvania a business or organization had FRS / GMRS channels using P-25 or NXD. Of course, using either mode in that radio service is forbidden according to FCC rules and regulations.

You can't use P-25 radios on GMRS?

Man, I'm learning all kinds of things in this thread. 

[WRCZ387]

To my knowledge, the only legit digital GMRS operations were out in the San Francisco area

They had operated with an experimental license using DMR

As far as I know, the experimental licence expired a couple of years ago

[WSEZ903]

A friend gave me a list about a year ago with "Rugged Radio" frequencies that were digital.  These were pre getting into trouble frequencies.  I think some GMRS ones were on it as there was a mix of stuff.  Maybe some people using them with a little repeater or beacon.  I will dig around and post the list once I find them.

[WSEZ903]

I cannot find a list anymore, but I had them in my XTS 5000 to monitor while off road.  A friend programmed his XTS5000 with them so he can talk to his friends while they were out in the SBS.  The list he gave me showed the frequencies below.  I do not know what they were using for digital, but I would gather DMR.

**Disclaimer** These were pre–Rugged Radio getting into trouble with the FCC for using unauthorized frequencies.  Search the net and you will see all kings of info on it.

These we listed at their "Digital" frequencies.  

462.200

462.225

462.325

463.525

467.225

467.325

468.525

467.425

462.375

468.275

463.275

464.225

464.325

469.325

464.3875

 

Regular channel frequencies are:

451.800

451.8125

456.800

456.8125

462.125

462.025

462.225

462.200

467.125

467.0625

467.025

469.225

468.225

467.200

462.225

462325

463.525

467.225

467.325

468.525

467.425

462.375

468.275

463.275

464.225

464.325

469.325

464.3875

I still have the second half programmed as Rx in a bank to listen to any traffic while driving off road.  I never hear any traffic as they now use some licensed frequencies, and some are area specific by the looks of it.

 

[WQAI363]

On 11/23/2025 at 6:30 PM, WRUE951 said:

according..........

According to RRD Jones Harvesting is using APCO-25 on frequencies allocated to the FRS / GMRS pool.

Ch. 01 462.5875   295 NAC  

Ch. 02 462.6125   296 NAC 

Ch. 03 462.6625  664 NAC

That's exactly what I see in RR Database. 

Either someone has entered incorrect data or Jones Harvesting and the programmer for their radios has explaining to do to the FCC. I assume if the FCC forbids DMR and NXDN on FRS/GMRS, APCO-25 is also not authorized.

Edited November 29, 2025 by WQAI363
I needed to fix my post

[WRUE951]

1 hour ago, WQAI363 said:

According to RRD Jones Harvesting is using APCO-25 on frequencies allocated to the FRS / GMRS pool.

Ch. 01 462.5875   295 NAC  

Ch. 02 462.6125   296 NAC 

Ch. 03 462.6625  664 NAC

That's exactly what I see in RR Database. 

Either someone has entered incorrect data or Jones Harvesting and the programmer for their radios has explaining to do to the FCC. I assume if the FCC forbids DMR and NXDN on FRS/GMRS, APCO-25 is also not authorized.

you think there will ever be 'explaining' to the FCC???   I'll bet ya a case of Modelo there will never be any 'explaining'.  

[WQAI363]

5 hours ago, WRUE951 said:

you think there will ever be 'explaining' to the FCC???   I'll bet ya a case of Modelo there will never be any 'explaining'.  

Maybe either I need my eyes checked or someone got the frequencies wrong. I still someone has explaining why using P-25 on frequencies allocated for the FRS/GMRS.  Then again, you have a point. 

[nokones]

There are several VHF & UHF freqs being used off-road in and near Arizona that are licensed and being used for trail comms in the Flagstaff, Lake Havasu, Quartzsite, and Sedona; in the Las Vegas, Nevada area; and the Needles, California area. 

These are Part 90 Industrial & Business Pool freqs that are used by non-public safety entities. I hear more traffic on the VHF freqs than I do on the UHF freqs.  I very seldom hear traffic on the UHF freqs except for the GMRS channels.  It appears that most of the traffic are trail comms from Side X Sides.

I have never heard any trail comms on any Amateur Radio Service freqs.

Although, it has been a while, but occasionally I would hear traffic on CB Channel 16 out in the boonies.  When I hear the CB traffic, several minutes later it is not unusual to come across other off-roaders with what appears to be CB antennae mounted on their vehicles.  

Here is the list of the UHF freqs and the areas where they are licensed:

451.800 nationwide           451.8125 nationwide           456.800 nationwide           457.8125 nationwide           462.0625     Lake havasu quartzsite     462.125 Flagstaff sedona       las vegas 462.200       quartzsite needles las vegas 462.225 Flagstaff sedona Lake havasu quartzsite needles las vegas 462.325 flagstaff sedona Lake havasu   needles   463.225 flagstaff sedona Lake havasu quartzsite   las vegas 463.525 Flagstaff sedona Lake havasu quartzsite needles las vegas 467.0625     Lake havasu quartzsite     467.125 Flagstaff sedona       las vegas 467.200       quartzsite needles las vegas 467.225 flagstaff sedona lake havasu quartzsite needles las vegas 467.325 Flagstaff sedona lake havasu   needles   467.425 Flagstaff sedona     needles las vegas 468.225 Flagstaff sedona lake havasu   needles las vegas 468.525 Flagstaff sedona lake havasu quartzsite needles las vegas 469.225       quartzsite

 

Here is the list of the VHF freqs and the areas where they are licensed:

151.505 nationwide         151.5125 nationwide         151.625 nationwide         151.685 flagstaff sedona lake havasu needles las vegas 151.700 nationwide         151.760 nationwide         151.805 flagstaff sedona lake havasu needles las vegas 151.925     lake havasu needles las vegas 152.315 flagstaff sedona lake havasu needles las vegas 153.110 flagstaff sedona lake havasu needles las vegas 153.380 flagstaff sedona lake havasu needles las vegas 154.515 flagstaff sedona lake havasu needles las vegas 154.5275 nationwide         157.560 flagstaff sedona lake havasu needles las vegas 158.400 nationwide         158.4075 nationwide

[nokones]

20 hours ago, WQAI363 said:

Maybe either I need my eyes checked or someone got the frequencies wrong. I still someone has explaining why using P-25 on frequencies allocated for the FRS/GMRS.  Then again, you have a point. 

My eyes are seeing shit only in the Radio Reference Data Base, but not in the ULS.

 

[WSEZ903]

I was at South Mountain today for a hike with some coworkers.  I was picking up some company using GMRS-1 with DTFM tones being sent Pre and then calling out his number to dispatch.  

[SteveShannon]

2 hours ago, WSEZ903 said:

I was at South Mountain today for a hike with some coworkers.  I was picking up some company using GMRS-1 with DTFM tones being sent Pre and then calling out his number to dispatch.  

I’m trying to understand why or if any of that would be a violation of the part 95 regulations. Were they connecting to the telephone network?

[WSEZ903]

You were hearing stuff on this frequency originally, no?  Maybe they have other forms of communication on it also?

[WSEZ903]

On 12/11/2025 at 9:27 PM, SteveShannon said:

I’m trying to understand why or if any of that would be a violation of the part 95 regulations. Were they connecting to the telephone network?

They were using DTMF tones I will gather as an ID for the radios.  If they are running a little business on the channel maybe they are also using some other data on the channel also.