Open repeater but require permission

[ULTRA2]

Why does repeater owner list the repeater as open with the tones listed and when you key it up the owner comes on and say that you need permission. if he was going to do that, wouldn't you list it as permission only? To top it off i was denied use of the repeater because I argued with him. Was this the proper way to go do thing or this is the norm on GMRS? 

[Hoppyjr]

Could be it was listed incorrectly, but since it’s privately owned it’s always best to show appreciation. Arguing with the owner seems like a bad idea…

[ULTRA2]

1 minute ago, Hoppyjr said:

Arguing with the owner seems like a bad idea…

Yes, I got the idea right away when I got a notice that I was denied use of the repeater. 

[ULTRA2]

5 minutes ago, ULTRA2 said:

that I was denied use of the repeater. 

That repeater in question was a stones throw away from where I lived too. That's too bad 

[gortex2]

Not all repeaters get listed here by the owner. I wish that wasnt the case but it happens. As with any repeater its up to the owner to give you permission. He paid for it. None of mine are open and never will. 

[WRYZ926]

Another thing is how the system is when listing open repeaters on this website. I listened ours as open and I still occasionally get requests from people to use it. I usually always grant permission as long as they have a valid GMRS license.

[DONE]

Yeah, mine is listed as open but I get requests all the time too.

So you had an argument with the owner of the repeater that you were going to have FREE access to.  That seems like perfectly reasonable thing to do...

Do you remember (probably not) Nancy Reagan's catch phrase?  You might look into that and take her advice.

Then, with you hat in your hand, apologize to the guy and see if you can get back into his good graces and get permission, hoping he's not a scorched earth type of guy like I am.  Because personally, if you are dumb enough to argue with me prior to getting permission of at any point after that, it would be a cold day in hell before I let you on my gear.  But that's how I roll.

But if it's the guy on here I am thinking it is.  He's actually every bit the A-hole I am and wouldn't pee in your face at this point if you beard was on fire.  So you might be screwed.

 

 

[ULTRA2]

Wouldn't you think if you need permission to use the repeater why don't you list it as permission only instead of open?

[WRZP361]

When you do get access to it, how do you connect to it? With a PL tone?

[SteveShannon]

6 minutes ago, WRZP361 said:

When you do get access to it, how do you connect to it? With a PL tone?

Yes. Almost all repeaters have either CTCSS (aka PL) or DTCSS (DPL) to prevent being activated by every random transmission.

[amaff]

29 minutes ago, SteveShannon said:

Yes. Almost all repeaters have either CTCSS (aka PL) or DTCSS (DPL) to prevent being activated by every random transmission.

and a transmit offset (or using a Repeater channel on a GMRS radio, which will have the offset built in).

[WRZP361]

thank you!

 

[ULTRA2]

On 6/13/2024 at 7:03 PM, WRKC935 said:

So you had an argument with the owner of the repeater that you were going to have FREE access to.  That seems like perfectly reasonable thing to do...

I guess I learned the hard way not ever to argue with anyone actually owner or not

[WSCI776]

@SteveShannon

After requesting access to a repeater how are we notified, via email or text and is there a secret knock for the owner to know it’s me transmitting besides saying my call sign?

[WSCI776]

Also,

is it possible to use one  repeater  to reach another in order to communicate if repeaters do not cover the entire distance of the 2 locations?

[SteveShannon]

1 hour ago, WSCI776 said:

@SteveShannon

After requesting access to a repeater how are we notified, via email or text and is there a secret knock for the owner to know it’s me transmitting besides saying my call sign?

If you’re using the request function on this site, you’ll hopefully receive an answer that appears in your control panel where it says “My Requests”.  Sometimes it takes a while.  
No secret knock, just your call sign, but in many cases the owner provides you with the input tone needed to access the site.

 

1 hour ago, WSCI776 said:

Also,

is it possible to use one  repeater  to reach another in order to communicate if repeaters do not cover the entire distance of the 2 locations?

Yes, sometimes, if the repeaters are linked together as part of a network, but most repeaters are not linked together and it’s an ongoing controversy whether it’s permissible under the regulations or even whether it’s something desirable. Keep in mind that if you link two repeaters together and you speak on them, everything you say is heard by folks listening on any of the linked repeaters. You might not like that and they might not either. I have no experience using linked GMRS repeaters. I don’t really even have a strong opinion on the question of compliance. There are none in my area.

Also, there’s little to be gained by tagging me individually.  I have no special powers or knowledge. I don’t know all the answers and someone who does know the answer to your specific question might not answer if you appear to be limiting your question to an individual member.

[WSCI776]

@SteveShannon

Understood. Just asked you because you were one of the very first to welcome me on here. I’ll keep my questions to the main forum.

Thank you for the info.

[WRQI663]

I hate 'repeater gods' --- they don't own or have exclusive rights to any frequency in GMRS.

If I put one up on the air, I would expect people to use it with or without permission.

I would only intervene if there were CB style trash talking on it.

 

[ULTRA2]

On 6/13/2024 at 7:03 PM, WRKC935 said:

FREE access to.

If it was free access, I wouldn't have to ask permission for access. Am I right or wrong?

[SteveShannon]

54 minutes ago, ULTRA2 said:

If it was free access, I wouldn't have to ask permission for access. Am I right or wrong?

You are wrong. Free means you don’t pay. 
Open access means you don’t have to ask permission. 

[gortex2]

7 hours ago, WRQI663 said:

I hate 'repeater gods' --- they don't own or have exclusive rights to any frequency in GMRS.

No they dont but that doesn't mean you can use their system without permission. This is the issue with GMRS as of late. I spend thousands of dollars on my gear and use it for my use. Its not open for others. Your just as capable to spend that money and put up your own. 

[Sab02r]

On 6/13/2024 at 6:12 PM, WRYZ926 said:

Another thing is how the system is when listing open repeaters on this website. I listened ours as open and I still occasionally get requests from people to use it. I usually always grant permission as long as they have a valid GMRS license.

I commonly request permission to use repeaters that are listed as 'open' when I first see them listed.  This is partially to ensure that the owner actually intended to list it as 'open', but more just to thank the owners for making them available and let them know that their generosity is appreciated.

[WRQD922]

I can’t imagine using someone else’s equipment without asking first. It’s so simple it’s crazy. Doesn’t matter if it’s a mower, chainsaw or a repeater. JUST ASK . It’s the proper thing to do. Why is this so hard for people ? 

[OffRoaderX]

11 minutes ago, WRQD922 said:

can’t imagine using someone else’s equipment without asking first.....Why is this so hard for people ? 

Because "some people" are very, very stupid.

[ULTRA2]

7 hours ago, gortex2 said:

Its not open for others.

If that's the case don't list it as open repeater list it as permission only that will solve the issue wouldn't it!!!