amaff Posted April 19 Report Posted April 19 56 minutes ago, Alec said: Really ?? I did not infer that "Code Talker" is mentioned anywhere in the FCC rules. I'm merely using that as an example to point out that "Plain Language" is an ambiguous term, not all foreign languages are commonly understood, and that perhaps the FCC's definition is not as clear or definitive as it should be! By that logic, to someone who's a non English speaker using a GMRS radio, anyone speaking English is talking in code. I guess none of us get to use our radios now... Quote
SteveShannon Posted April 20 Report Posted April 20 2 hours ago, Alec said: Really ?? I did not infer that "Code Talker" is mentioned anywhere in the FCC rules. I'm merely using that as an example to point out that "Plain Language" is an ambiguous term, not all foreign languages are commonly understood, and that perhaps the FCC's definition is not as clear or definitive as it should be! This really isn’t ambiguous: Plain language voice communications. Voice communications without codes or coded messages intended to provide a hidden meaning. Foreign languages and commonly known radio operating words and phrases, such as “ten four” and “roger,” not intended to provide a hidden meaning, are not considered codes or coded messages. amaff, AdmiralCochrane, WRUE951 and 3 others 6 Quote
ADVBikerRadioGirl Posted Friday at 04:29 AM Report Posted Friday at 04:29 AM On 4/16/2025 at 6:10 AM, Lscott said: Maybe not any more. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/designating-english-as-the-official-language-of-the-united-states/ As a Native American, I will tell Dumb Trump that he can kiss my rear end. Nothing he says will stop me from using my native language. That would be the day. Plus, one must read before one posts, because that executive order has a loop hole designed right in it. It states: “nothing in this order, however, requires or directs any change in the services provided by any agency. Agency heads should make decisions as they deem necessary to fulfill their respective agencies’ mission and efficiently provide Government services to the American people. Agency heads are not required to amend, remove, or otherwise stop production of documents, products, or other services prepared or offered in languages other than English.” Jaay 1 Quote
LeoG Posted Friday at 05:03 AM Report Posted Friday at 05:03 AM If they want to they can go to English only and now there is an EO to back it up. Quote
WRTC928 Posted Sunday at 01:59 PM Report Posted Sunday at 01:59 PM My understanding of "official language" is that it will be required on all government documents, web sites, etc. and official documents can't be required to be provided in other languages. As far as I can tell, it won't prohibit government sites from providing translations in other languages as long as an English version is provided. Which, TBH, seems pretty reasonable to me. Since TV stations, radio stations, etc. aren't usually government-run, they'll be unaffected. Since GMRS and amateur radio are mostly private endeavors, I can't see the EO affecting our radio usage. Nobody owns the GMRS channels, and short of a change to FCC regulations, nobody can dictate to me that I can't use whatever language I like. A repeater is a bit different. Since it's privately owned, I support the owner's right to decide what language users must speak. I'm not sure how you'd enforce that, but in theory I support it. SteveShannon and WRUU653 2 Quote
WRUE951 Posted Sunday at 03:14 PM Report Posted Sunday at 03:14 PM On 5/22/2025 at 9:29 PM, ADVBikerRadioGirl said: As a Native American, I will tell Dumb Trump that he can kiss my rear end. Nothing he says will stop me from using my native language. That would be the day. Plus, one must read before one posts, because that executive order has a loop hole designed right in it. It states: “nothing in this order, however, requires or directs any change in the services provided by any agency. Agency heads should make decisions as they deem necessary to fulfill their respective agencies’ mission and efficiently provide Government services to the American people. Agency heads are not required to amend, remove, or otherwise stop production of documents, products, or other services prepared or offered in languages other than English.” there is a reason, can you imagine going to an ATM machine and spending an hour finding your language to proceed This is no joke,, the other day i was standing in line at an ATM an older guy in front of me using the machine starts cursing out loud. I said ' what are thy out cash' he says "F**K no, this G*D D*mn machine, I can't read spanish bla bla bla.. . He strugles to get his card out, he finally does, he storms inside the bank... OK, my turn, first screen says select 'yoour language'.. I guess he selected the wrongh one TrikeRadio 1 Quote
WSHH887 Posted Monday at 03:50 AM Report Posted Monday at 03:50 AM On 5/22/2025 at 9:29 PM, ADVBikerRadioGirl said: As a Native American, I will tell Dumb Trump that he can kiss my rear end. Nothing he says will stop me from using my native language. That would be the day. Not to rile anyone up, but were your ancestors in the first or second migration from Asia? There have never been "native" humans in North, Central or South America. Quote
amaff Posted Monday at 01:03 PM Report Posted Monday at 01:03 PM "Native Americans never existed" is certainly a take... Quote
tcp2525 Posted Monday at 05:34 PM Report Posted Monday at 05:34 PM On 5/23/2025 at 12:29 AM, ADVBikerRadioGirl said: As a Native American, I will tell Dumb Trump that he can kiss my rear end. Nothing he says will stop me from using my native language. That would be the day. Plus, one must read before one posts, because that executive order has a loop hole designed right in it. It states: “nothing in this order, however, requires or directs any change in the services provided by any agency. Agency heads should make decisions as they deem necessary to fulfill their respective agencies’ mission and efficiently provide Government services to the American people. Agency heads are not required to amend, remove, or otherwise stop production of documents, products, or other services prepared or offered in languages other than English.” I'm just a Buffalo Soldier In the heart of America Stolen from Africa, brought to America Said he was fighting on arrival Fighting for survival Said he was a Buffalo Soldier Win the war for America WRXL702 1 Quote
Socalgmrs Posted Monday at 06:17 PM Report Posted Monday at 06:17 PM 14 hours ago, WSHH887 said: Not to rile anyone up, but were your ancestors in the first or second migration from Asia? There have never been "native" humans in North, Central or South America. Yup. Be ready, people will get upset at your facts. Quote
SteveShannon Posted yesterday at 12:33 AM Report Posted yesterday at 12:33 AM 12 hours ago, amaff said: "Native Americans never existed" is certainly a take... Yea, but it’s a pedantic take. After 20,000 - 30,000 years of having evolved languages, tribal customs, and even recognizable physical characteristics Native Americans deserve the title. Or, for the pedants, we’re all simply immigrants from Africa. WRUU653 and amaff 2 Quote
amaff Posted yesterday at 12:40 AM Report Posted yesterday at 12:40 AM 6 minutes ago, SteveShannon said: Yea, but it’s a pedantic take. Exactly my point. SteveShannon and WRUU653 2 Quote
WRUU653 Posted yesterday at 02:08 AM Report Posted yesterday at 02:08 AM 22 hours ago, WSHH887 said: Not to rile anyone up, but… What other possible reason could you have… it’s like saying “no offense” right before you say something you know will offend. One does not negate the other. Now as for Buffalos. There are no buffalo here. Plenty of bison though. Common misconception. I hope I don’t rile up any buffaloes or bison for that matter. SteveShannon 1 Quote
WSHH887 Posted yesterday at 02:36 AM Report Posted yesterday at 02:36 AM You can use fancy words or come up with excuses, but there are no "native Americans". However, if you take another view, that folks born somewhere are "natives", then anyone born in the Americas is a native. Quote
Lscott Posted 18 hours ago Report Posted 18 hours ago 14 hours ago, WSHH887 said: You can use fancy words or come up with excuses, but there are no "native Americans". However, if you take another view, that folks born somewhere are "natives", then anyone born in the Americas is a native. The answer varies depending how far back in time you want to go. Quote
WSHH887 Posted 17 hours ago Report Posted 17 hours ago 1 hour ago, Lscott said: The answer varies depending how far back in time you want to go. My point exactly. I've read various origins of the species. None show man evolved in a the Americas. They either hit here by foot or boat. Quote
amaff Posted 16 hours ago Report Posted 16 hours ago 17 minutes ago, WSHH887 said: My point exactly. I've read various origins of the species. None show man evolved in a the Americas. They either hit here by foot or boat. Basically no one disputes that. But now we're down an absurd semantic rabbit hole. I don't know of anyone who seriously claims humans evolved independently in the Americas. That's not what anyone means by "Native Americans". But it's the argument you (or someone who has your ear...) are trying to have for...some reason? WRUU653 and SteveShannon 2 Quote
WSHH887 Posted 15 hours ago Report Posted 15 hours ago 1 hour ago, amaff said: Basically no one disputes that. But now we're down an absurd semantic rabbit hole. I don't know of anyone who seriously claims humans evolved independently in the Americas. That's not what anyone means by "Native Americans". But it's the argument you (or someone who has your ear...) are trying to have for...some reason? So we are in agreement that there are no "Native Americans". Quote
tcp2525 Posted 14 hours ago Report Posted 14 hours ago 18 hours ago, WRUU653 said: What other possible reason could you have… it’s like saying “no offense” right before you say something you know will offend. One does not negate the other. Now as for Buffalos. There are no buffalo here. Plenty of bison though. Common misconception. I hope I don’t rile up any buffaloes or bison for that matter. A little family history. My great, great grandfather seventeen generations back on my mom's side was the Chief of the Zamboni tribe in Malawi. Does that mean anything to anybody? I don't think it should. Bottom line, we are all members of the human race and there's no need for all this pigeon holing and placing people in irrelevant boxes. Just my opinion. SteveShannon and WRXB215 1 1 Quote
amaff Posted 10 hours ago Report Posted 10 hours ago 5 hours ago, WSHH887 said: So we are in agreement that there are no "Native Americans". Not that meet your insanely specific, incorrectly used definition, no. Otherwise, no, we're definitely not in agreement SteveShannon and WRUU653 2 Quote
WSHH887 Posted 8 hours ago Report Posted 8 hours ago 2 hours ago, amaff said: Not that meet your insanely specific, incorrectly used definition, no. Otherwise, no, we're definitely not in agreement Then we simply agree to disagree. But just so you know my sanity has long been questioned. Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.