jerrytheyounger

Search this forum. You will see that this idea has been proposed, and even started, several times. However, for whatever reason, the effort soon becomes abandoned.  Perhaps if someone was willing to actually take on the task, and approach Rich (WQEJ577) it might work. However, as long as the implementation depends on the efforts of others, it is not likely to be sustained.

I'd like to see something like that. I did a similar thing on Reddit. I created a subReddit that's one and only purpose is for producers and creators to list jobs. I was amazed no one had thought of this before. I think you've come up with a great idea. I would recommend you make it as basic and simple as possible. Humans have a tendency to complicate simple things. The less moving parts, the better.

Out of the box, the KG-805G is pre-programmed with 22 simplex channels and 8 repeater channels. 
The simplex channels are programmed into memories 1-22. The repeater channels are programmed into memories 23-30.
 
All you must do to make a repeater channel work with a given repeater is to program in CTCSS or DCS code(s) that the specific repeater requires you to use. This can be done through the front panel controls of your radio.
 
Yes, the correct frequencies are already programmed in for repeater memories. Tx is on the main 467 frequencies, Rx is on the main 462 frequencies.
 
Michael
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Gman1971, just give it up already.
 
Moderator's edit: "...I disagree"
 
Sorry moderators, ...but someone had to say it.

Yeah. No luck. That being said I am actually in that area a ton. At least I'll know to tune into that repeater when I'm running around McKinney and Frisco 

Hello there! I am in the north texas area, 
call sign WRJV736. 
I just figured out how to hit a repeater in the DFW area literally 15 minutes ago. 

I'm too far away from that Sherman unit but if you ever make it out towards Greenville we have a fairly well active local repeater.  
 
https://mygmrs.com/view?id=1525

If you are referring to WRFS771's posts, and I assume you are, note he has not logged in since his 09/16 post in this thread.  I personally hope he comes back to perhaps explain the basis for his posts. But, I am guessing that won't happen.

OK. I think we all agree you dont like GMRS, dont like the rules of GMRS and dont like the FCC. Simple solution go find another service to use. 

All I can say is Wow!
 
Thanks Berkinet for saying what was on my mind.
 
 
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Maybe I am the only one, but I am confused about the purpose of this ongoing rant. Complaints on an online forum are not going to change anything. If you want change, file a Petition for Rulemaking with the FCC. Then get people to support your petition.
 
But, to the points you raise. First, about GMRS radios themselves: Some of your facts are wrong or off target, there is no need for a -5 MHz (not KHz) offset on a GMRS radio. There are only 8 repeater input frequencies defined and those are all 5MHz higher than the 8 defined repeater input frequencies. And, the number of internal memory locations (aka "channels) that a given user needs is very difficult to determine. Probably more than 22, but 180? Zello? Zello works just fine without a GMRS radio at all. But, Zello is an Internet (IP) based app, which means anything that connects to Zello needs an Internet connection. But, you also suggest GMRS should work when away from any cellular infrastructure. So, how is your Zello equipped GMRS radio supposed to connect to Zello when you are in the middle of nowhere? And you complaint about morse code, I really don't know what that is about? We live in a free market economic system. Manufacturers are free to offer products they feel will meet customer and investor needs. You have a choice. And, if you don't like the certified GMRS products you can choose from, there are plenty of other options, from super-cheap CCRs to super-high end Part-90 commercial equipment.
 
Technical questions aside, your major complaint seems to be about licensing fees. Here again I think you are off base. Many services, especially commercial, marine, aviation, LMR, broadcast, common carrier, cellular, etc. have licensing fees and they are often quite expensive. At $7 a year, GMRS is cheap by comparison. Yes, it is more than Amateur. But, Amateur radio is also considered a public service, with a long history and International agreements. And, what difference does it make who you pay a licensing fee to the FCC, the ARRL, a local radio club or whatever? But, even here you are not current. There is now a proposal in the FCC to lower GMRS licensing fees to $50 and add a fee for Amateur radio. The reason? It appears federal law requires fees be set to recover costs. The GMRS fee was bringing in too much money, ham radio was bringing in nothing.
 
You also object to being taxed on your GMRS radio, but have no issue with the FCC requiring a cell phone company to offer a GMRS repeater service on every tower for free. When you consider the equipment and installation costs, plus administration and maintenance costs, are you willing to pay for that every month when Verizon and AT&T raise your bill to cover their costs? There is no free lunch.
 
Ok, you obviously feel strongly about something, otherwise you wouldn't have started this topic and posted 7 follow-up comments. But, it is really hard to understand just what it is you are complaining about and what you think should be done about it. Can you succinctly state the top 5 high level problems you see with GMRS today, the reasons you think those are problems, and 5 proposed solutions.

Would Plano Tx be close enough?

This discussion is getting a little monotonous. A fixed station is one of a pair that exchange information between those points only. As a Part 90.20 coordinator we licensed many fixed stations which are primarily used to report such things as water levels on a flood gauge or storage tank, control sprinklers on a golf course and the like. Both points had to be identified on the frequency authorization and commonly were low-power, typically 5 watts or less. The only "fixed stations" carrying multiple types of information are microwave.

47 C.F.R. § 2.1 states that a fixed station is station in a fixed service. A Fixed Service is a radiocommunication service between specified fixed points, only.
 
An example of a fixed station in a fixed service would be the 2 stations that RF Link 2 repeaters. They only talk to each other from point to point and their designed/intended purpose is to only talk to each other.
 
A base station of which the operator chooses to only talk to another base station is not a fixed station, because by design, it can talk to all other stations and is not in a fixed service.

A “fixed station” means dedicated for communications between fixed points and is usually for purposes of telemetry, linking, or control. In the situation you describe, since both stations could be used to communicate with any other GMRS stations for general traffic, both would be base stations, not fixed, and would have no special power limitations other than those that might be specified for the frequency in use.

While the explanation from Cornell Law School is certainly cogently stated, in the Real World  actual practice is that a permanent station can be a "base", "fixed station" or a "control station" depending on specific circumstances.
 
When acting as a "fixed station" my power is set to low (about 10 watts out).
 
When acting as a "control station", such as operating as net control, my power is set to only enough to operate the repeater at full quieting (usually low power).
 
When communicating directly with mobile or portables, I am not a "base station" and will use whatever power is required, up to the max allowed.
 
In the final analysis though, no one actually gives a tinker's damn about the nuances of the rules, especially the FCC.

Do "Fixed Stations" even exist in the GMRS world?
I cannot begin to imagine anyone using their radio at home or office to only communicate with another "Fixed Station..."

Hopefully this straightens this out for you:
 
Fixed station: A fixed station, not open to public correspondence, operated by, and for the sole use of those agencies operating their own radio communication facilities in the Public Safety, Industrial, Land Transportation, Marine, or Aviation Radio Services.
 
Base Station - A station at a specified site authorized to communicate with mobile stations.
 
ENGLISH NOW:
50watts is your max Mobile, Base, or Repeater

Then don’t.  There is a dedicated sub-forum for ham radio and that would be the perfect place to start your own thread.  But, you don’t even need to post at all, did you try googling for: ham license practice test?

I just found the proper software on the Buy Two Way Radios page for the radio. If people would mention this on their posts it would be a big help for those searching for it. I was happy to see you can use the Baofeng cable. I also downloaded the owners manual so I should be good to go now. Thank ya'll for the help!
Jerry Swindle Jr.
WRJU443

Officially, No. Unofficially (partially), Yes. Use at your own risk.
 
Channels can be configured, radio settings cannot. You must read from the radio first as your starting point. Do not start a fresh file from scratch. Use the model with 816 in it (if I recall correctly) You cannot use offset settings of + or -. Instead you must use the ‘Split” option to establish Tx frequency. Failure to do this will program the radio incorrectly.
 
Make sure you have a factory backup of the original settings before you use chirp. You could do something that makes the radio non functional.
 
To date, I have programmed (4) KG-805G successfully using Chirp.
 
Michael
WRHS965
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5.0000

There are things called access codes for most repeaters. you will need the input and output code (usually CTCSS or DCS) These need to be entered into the radio as well in order to activate the repeater and talk into it.

When you are looking at a repeater on the list and and it says output with one frequency and input with another, what does this mean. Which frequency is your radio supposed to be set to? Sorry for the newbie question, but I'm confused.

Correct. Here is an example. If you are programming for what many would call a ‘550’ repeater. Your radio would be tuned to 462.5500 MHz (this is the the frequency you listen on). Your radio would be configured to transmit +5 MHz higher on 467.5500 MHz. This is called a 5 MHz positive offset.
 
Michael
WRHS965
KE8PLM
 
 
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