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I wasn't trying to avoid, more in....not paying as much. At that time I had a boss that liked to throw out Motorola service manuals. they come in two types "detailed" and "basic" but usually costing no more than $100-150, but it seemed like people were willing to pay about $100 for used manuals at that time. After a few months of selling those manuals, I get a notice saying that my earnings are being reported to the IRS. Those sales added up pretty quick. The way Motorola is going, I expect future manuals to be downloadable DRM content eventually as software as a service is also creeping in with them. I just hate paying fees to auction sites that get higher and higher, then the IRS red tape, as many people do. Of course I file my taxes every year, and earnings. But, I also see barter as becoming more necessary with our current issue of inflation, and see some in the neighborhood doing exactly that for lawn service, car washes, and auto repair type of gigs.

I left selling items on eBay when it started to become known as ePay, with shipping fees being highly recommended being paid by the seller and for the US Postal Service to be the carrier. As Radioguy 7268 mentioned, that pushed the cost up a lot. I was also tired of the buyer having all the power, and the seller having to keep up with the many scams being played upon them/me. I sold a Motorola Maxtrac service manual, and several people told me that $12.95 for shipping was too much, and that I could have placed that manual in an envelope. When I showed these people details, that the manual is in a 2.5 inch thick three ring binder and was insured for replacement amount, I lost money on shipping charges. Thank you OP for the warning on the IRS side of the situation, I hit that limit of $20k many years ago, and was just as fed up then. Local amateur club and cash is the way to go it would seem.

Thank you for sharing. I have been tasked with replacing some "illegal" Rugged Radio, radios that are installed in UTV's in use at many airport fire stations across the country.....and this may be the replacement. For my own use, I would balk at the price tag, but for UTV use this may be the way to go. What has prevented other Midlands from being used is the reviews online that showed the microphone cable falling apart, and cracked/split coiled cord sheathing. If you experience that with this one, please share with us, might save some others from the heartache the older Midlands suffered.

My only issue with the NEXT series is the cloud based programming, Motorola CPS as a service.......I work for a corporation that often messes up billing and payment, especially with Motorola, so I can see my programming option being held hostage until payment is current. (Can't fault Motorola on that though, at least not entirely.) Software as a service was tried by Harris, they needed the MAC address of a specific computer to program XG-100P handhelds and mobiles, where I can download Motorola CPS and put it on a dozen computers if I want. The one APX NEXT we borrowed as a demo did not work well for firefighters, but security it worked well.....that huge touchscreen was the issue with fire, and gloves.

That sounds like the same method to open up UHF1/UHF2 to full UHF range on the XPR6550.....I have made that mistake a few times, going to fast as well, then see the error that freqs are out of range for the specific model of radio. I kick myself, when doing that, as it is always when my clean (hex edited) copy is on another computer, across town or the other side of the state. I need to make my own 6550 look different form the many company ones around that do not have that mod done to them. Good to know it works on the XPR6580 as well.

This thread made me look up how long some of my DTR410's have held up. Looks like 2012 was when I put the first batch into service with a school. They only needed coverage on campus, and liked the fixed antenna as it would be harder to break, and the radio was cheaper than the DTR550/650's. I doubt a Retevis would hold up to ten years and counting of use/abuse by school personnel. The Retevis reminds me of the eXRS radios that also tried 900 MHz ISM band frequency hopping, at a lower price (about $100 per pair) that made me go big and buy Motorola instead. I still have those eXRS radios, I will not even give them away to anyone, they are that bad. The only issue I ever had was a user that tried to plug the charging connector into the cradle (single cup) upside down. I then took a silver Sharpie to the Batwings and instructed users that the connector needs to show the Motorola symbol for the charger to work. There was enough slop in the spring contacts that the cable did connect, but was not making proper electrical connection.

I run several sites on DTR series Motorola radios as well. They do work great within their specifications. Many schools wanted something that could not be heard via Radio Shack/Realistic scanner, and then I find out their license for UHF expired. DTR series radios in ISM band were the perfect fit.

Full disclosure, I used to work as an engineer for the the JVC/Kenwood Group / Zetron.....the 5000 series Kenwoods are nice, but I prefer APX series Motorola for sure. I will only contemplate Kenwood amateur radios now, unless they are at a hugely discounted rate. You may have dodged a bullet, and it was hard for me to recommend Kenwood P25 radios when I knew some of the inside info. My area is going P25 Phase II as well, and multi-band capability is also needed. Years ago, I did have some Harris Unity XG-100P radios for this purpose, but I only keep one for my own use now (amateur bands, marine VHF, GMRS, etc.). P25 is my favorite digital mode, with DMR second.

Believe it or not, there was a push to go with Harris, and I had to pitch the OpenSky debacle.....and the fact that most of the enterprise is already using Motorola ASTRO/Trbo infrastructure......would have cost about $200mil more to go Harris. This is a company that issued Motorola HT-200's and has been Motorola ever since. I won the argument and it is APX8000/8500's for all now, not just the few sites that have had them a year or two now. Multi-band is needed due to many mutual aid agreements. So, DMR and P25 are my favorite digital modes.

Same here (audio and equipment wise), as I have maintained public safety radios for several decades now. I carry a Motorola XTS1500 P25 Phase I for monitoring local county 911, and then a XPR6550 Trbo series radio for some of the GMRS and amateur nets. A 900 MHz DTR410 is also kept close as many construction sites and tugs on the closest few rivers use them, but have left their default TalkGroups programmed. Audio wise the XPR7550e and XPR5550e seem the best in my own use, but build quality does not match the more expensive P25 radios. For work it is an APX4000 and XPR7550e for handhelds and APX4500 and XPR5550e for mobiles. All get replaced this year for APX8000/8500 P25 Phase I/II gear.....it will be a busy time getting everything programmed and switched out.

For that price, I would go this route instead (link). But, having the programming cables, software, and computer to do the work may bar many from going this route. Just amazed to see a Midland at that price point, even in 2022. I almost bought one when older models were $100-140, but saw too many reviews about worn/failing microphone cords. https://used-radios.com/motorola-xpr4550-uhf-403-470mhz-mobile-radio-40w/

I only know of the John Deere incident firsthand, but there are most likely others as section 5 at this link https://www.repair.org/agriculture mentions modification of motorized vehicles. This also includes new air intakes, exhaust and other accessories for cars. The ability to repair something outside of a dealer network has also been an issue in commercial and public safety radio systems for many years. Working on public safety radio systems requires documentation on training for intrinsically safe standards repair, and manufacture specific training, while other requirements are involved with aviation and maritime radio (needing a General Radiotelephone Operators Licence) for example.

Ed Fong antenna, those are great for receive and transmit. Used many of those for emergency communications services in the aftermath of hurricanes, floods, and oil spills. Also provides some funding for student projects, and lets them learn real world aspects of electrical engineering and building a product that can be used in by the public. Let us know what you get with that Ed Fong antenna real world.....to see if the math worked out. With transmit and handhelds, I was taught to estimate about one mile per watt, but that still depends on terrain, frequency, and antenna in use (that was assuming the standard antenna included with the handheld radio.) Receive can often be much more, depending on the radio you are receiving and antenna in use......talk in versus talk out is also always an issue when repeaters are in use. Forestry service often deploys five watt portable repeaters, as their handhelds are only five watts, keeps that talk-in vs. talk-out similar in distance. You have received great advice in previous posts above.

Very nice. I like when pictures are posted instead of just seeing typed text and having to take someone's word for whatever is being discussed. Seeing this, I may buy more SW102 meters for some of my other UHF installs.....most of them are under 500 MHz. Thank you for posting.

I stayed away from this thread for a bit, as I thought it was for the growing number of YouTube videos showing the large "toy" tractors and construction equipment, smaller version than real use, but much larger than common toys, that are radio controlled and cost several thousand dollars. While this looks useful, like others have said, it may be better to get a Kubota or John Deere, something that can take more options. My Dad bought a John Deere about twenty years ago, and he bought it with several buckets, fence post auger, and other accessories. Then the whole right to repair issue came up, where John Deere added electronics to keep people going to Deere repair shops, otherwise they may risk their warranties, or see software issues come up. Well his was the last version of tractor that did not have the software and electronics to force you to go to John Deere. He sold it for a larger sum than he paid, with seven years of use on it. This "right to repair" is an ongoing issue with John Deere. May want to go Kubota on that note. However, either way, a larger tractor with more accessory options may be more useful than this little dozer looking thing. A skid steer Bobcat may even be more useful, as they also have many accessories that can be had with them.

Those StiCo antennas are awesome. I have used both StiCo and the Laird Phantom antennas, for UHF commercial band and GMRS. Not as efficient as a longer whip, but still viable and useful, and better than just a handheld inside of a vehicle. My Laird Phantom antenna was not on the roof though, instead being mounted to the lip of the trunk of my old Pontiac, and many people said I wouldn't get more than a few miles on GMRS. Managed to do pretty well, and could hit local repeaters just fine. Good luck on your install.

Very nice. Thank you for clarifying, as many do not. The XPR5550/7550/e version's are a great benchmark, and ones I use as well,. The Rubidium standard in my case comes from a Trak9100 which may be replaced with newer Spectracom equipment, I am beginning to lose modules on that aging time source. I wish more people would check their cheaper radios, but that does get expensive, if they do not own the equipment or have to pay someone to do the work for them. Chinese radios are getting better in time, a decade ago they were a whole lot worse. Test equipment is getting the same way, I now include a Surecom SW102 meter in line with many of my RoIP shelf builds (Motorola UHF FDMA/TDMA or analog, mobile with Zetron interface to connect a remote site radio system to an ASTRO dispatch system at another site) as they work very well......even with being a cheap meter and made in China.

This ties into a thread that was running a while back, where each radio is different, and why I try to buy radio with a full display and keypads. I want to be able to read an entire frequency on the display, not just a channel number or CTCSS number. I also want buttons for functions instead of menus if possible. As others have noted, each radio is different, and it is important to read manuals, watch videos on the hardware, and use the equipment......that results in learning. I often meet people that do not understand the capabilities and limitiation of their radios, as they have only charged them up and used them (GMRS radios that come pre-programmed) versus amateur radios that require programming and typing in a frequency/tone pair. Amateur radios often have full displays and keypads, while many GMRs radios may not, having abbreviated controls and displays, and sometimes capabilities. My recommendation for someone with an amateur license, and ability to use GMRS via a family license, is to buy amateur radio equipment, setting it up also for GMRS. However, you may also find that having dedicated gear, like the non amateur licensed family members is more beneficial, as all family members are equipped the same. In my own family, I am the only one with amateur and commercial licenses. Each family member has the same radio for GMRS use. I then carry a second single/multi-band amateur (actually commercial radios: Motorola XTS1500, Vertex and Motorola mobiles, and sometimes a Harris Unity XG-100P) when I feel the need to do so. This is then augmented with many other radios I have acquired over the past few decades in RF work if there is something specific that is needed. Having each family member using the same radio means we have full knowledge of how each one works, and even parts replacement based on having several of the same radio. People may laugh, but my families current FRS/GMRS radio is the Garmin Rino 530. This is a combination radio GPS, and has been a great companion for many family excursions and hikes across the country. (People state the radio is not very good in the Garmin Rino series, but it works for us.) Glad to see you fostering another radio user, and maybe more. You are sure to get a lot of advice on this site. Enjoy.

Great statement, and even better is to use a dedicated communications service monitor, combined: spectrum analyzer, frequency counter, tracking generator, etc, I currently use Aeroflex/Viavi 3920, HP8920 and Singer test sets. (This could be a debate in and of itself on these forums, which test equipment to use for testing your radio. Just as we are seeing the arguments about radios in use - Chinese, Japanese, and "other", I still prefer my many Motorola commercial gear to my one Radioddity DB20-G for example). "S" meters are not accurate enough to tell very much and using one that is part of the device under test would not pass for accurate measurement, let alone anything that is regulated by any agency related to radio. (Especially for any radio in use on board aircraft or vessels that also fall under other regulation.) I work with many people that think their radio's own RSSI meter is infallible as it is built into the radio itself (mostly with APX4000 and XPR7550e handhelds), as I take it over to my Aeroflex 3920 to check for sure....using the Autotest II setting for APX or Trbo series radios.

Exactly, I do not expect it to be accurate. And the radios is made to be cheap.

Great point and an issue that has been expounded upon in previous threads about cheaper radios made in China, versus commercial grade radios made in Japan/Malaysia/Mexico/Israel. One poster even mentioned that their Chinese made radios ran "clean"......a point that I find hard to believe. I run a Radioddity DB20-G mobile in my daily commuter car, because it fits the dash cubby hole.....but I do not expect its signal meter to be accurate, or transmit to be perfect. In contrast, my picture above shows the Surecom SW102 meter connected to a Motorola XPR4550 UHF attached to a Zetron 6300 IP interface......I need better specs for real world professional use, and especially for RoIP interface equipment between sites. Something that a hobbyist may not need or afford for GMRS use, (the XPR4550 in this case is operating in analog mode). Great points above.