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And that is the problem. You're going to have a bunch of guys with digital radios who are going to get on there and chat up a storm and I will tell you that it is horribly annoying to listen to digital coming over your radio. We have this problem with yaesu fusion where I live. They need to keep the digital out of gmrs. If you want digital go to ham radio, there's a huge world of it to play with. Ham radio has already been destroyed by the digital voice modes because there's so many different forms and repeaters and not everybody can afford the equipment. And then how many forms of digital are we going to introduce into gmrs? Is it going to be like ham radio where I'm going to have to have a p25 radio and a nxdn radio and a DMR radio and a fusion radio? and the list goes on. That's a ham radio thing and it needs to be left where it is. If gmrs-ham operators want digital then they need to stay on ham or create their own gmrs band with digital only. Having digital and analog segregates the population of people who are on the radio. I see it already in ham radio. You have us DMR operators and then you have the fusion operators and I can't talk to one unless I have what they have and they can't talk to me unless they have what I have and neither of us will budge and get the other radio. The radio is not what's the blame, it's the radio operators and unfortunately none of them will change. I know from experience living right near very good wide coverage repeaters that are digital that I can't afford the equipment for and it limits me. If things went digital that means I have to buy two brand new radios, possibly 4, just to use whatever form of digital it runs on. It brings up a good question, when is this all going to stop? When are people just going to get on the radio and use it and stop trying to have the latest and the greatest? I thought that was ham radio? I thought that wasn't going to filter into gmrs.

I meant that for the OP not you. They were overthinking using codes and what is not permitted or permitted. I don't know who people are more scared of, the IRS auditing them or the FCC throwing someone in federal prison for 100 years for saying "I am going to echo delta 10-420 this zulu foxtrot and then covert charlie the man". I see so many posts on many of these sites where people overthink stuff.

The digital would interfere with the analog. It wouldn't cause more interference, just interference to those still running analog. We aren't talking about Ham radio or a specific licensed frequency assigned to only you. We are talking about 1/8 repeater pairs, of which can be use in simplex mode by licensed and unlicensed people. Now if everyone caught on and started making their repeaters digital, GMRS would be unusable in analog mode in many places.

I am not familiar with DMR and analog used on the same repeater. I know Yaesu Fusion has that capability and it is a nightmare. I have a bunch of Yaesu Fusion repeaters in my state, quite a few within range of me where they work better than some analog. I will not even program them in any radio because analog never gets used on them. They also happen to be linked together digitally, so when someone on another repeater wants to run digital decides to jump on and start talking to someone, they will walk right over me. I could just upgrade but I barely use the radio as it is, so a $400-$500 price tag for something I barely use is a bit much to choke on. I would hope a DMR/analog repeater doesn't behave the same way? When it comes to the bubble pack radios, digital would impact them. Tone squelching them wouldn't matter. If a digital signal comes across, it is still occupying that frequency causing the signals between the bubble pack radios to be diminished to the point where they wont be able to use them, just like I could take an analog radio and jam a digital signal if I am closer to their radio than the transmitting station. I am not saying this would happen all over the place, but with no coordination or the lack of studying who would get negatively impacted, someone out there would be out on their communications. The other thing with digital is that it doesn't work as well as analog. I have been in so many situations where my signal either didn't get through, or it was so garbled no one could understand me. On analog, the other person could have at least heard me through the static. With digital, either you are there or you are not, there is no middle ground. Digital should be left to Ham radio, OR petition the FCC to create another GMRS like band. There are a lot of abandoned frequencies over the country ever since they rebanded things and many public safety agencies went up into the 700/800 MHz band. Personally, I would love the FCC to make those left behind frequencies available to those who want to play with them.

That means it would take coordination, something that doesn't currently exist on GMRS. It is hard enough to coordinate Ham radio let alone something that may become licenseless in another 20 years. Personally I don't want to see the mess that has been created on Ham Radio when it comes to digital, Yaesu Fusion being one of those messes. Sure, you can use analog and digital on the same repeater, as long as someone with digital doesn't come along and walk right over you. How about those who can barely afford analog radios? Now the much more expensive digital comes into play and those with analog either spend the money and upgrade or get bumped out. I can say from experience, no one, unless they are rich and have money to blow on radios for fun is going to want to spend money on digital radios. I can buy a Yaesu VHF analog radio for about $175. If I just wanted to upgrade to digital (Yaesu Fusion), that price tag now goes up to close to $400 or more. Simply put, there are only 8 repeater pairs. If people want to operate digital, join Ham Radio. Ham Radio has tons of digital repeaters that don't get used and there is so much space on the VHF/UHF bands that no one uses. All it takes is memorizing the answers to a bunch of questions and passing a test and people can play digital all they want as long as they don't get sucked down the HF rabbit hole.

Ha ha I think you are overthinking it. Just use the common 10 codes and you will be fine. No one is going to throw you in jail for using 10 codes. GMRS is very laid back. We aren't police officers acting official when on the radio. Whenever I am listening to GMRS repeaters or happen to use one with my wife, it sounds no different than a couple Hams having a conversation on a repeater. You seriously cannot tell the difference aside from a 10 code being thrown out here or there. I know at least in my area, the most I will hear is 10-4. The point that you run into an issue is when you sound like you are running covert military op's and you sound like you are up to no good and maybe possibly, something really bad happens in the area where you happen to be and someone ties your communications together with an incident, then you will have an issue. If you use the common 10 codes, you will be perfectly fine.

While it sounds like a good idea, with GMRS being unregulated when it comes to setting up repeaters, it would, in some areas cause bad problems. GMRS would have to turn all digital or stay all analog. With the amount of bubble pack radios out there doing analog, it wouldn't make sense to have it change to DMR. In my area alone, we are maxed out on GMRS repeaters when it comes to the 8 pairs, which rarely get used. The majority of the communications you hear are businesses and schools on the bubble pack radios. Adding DMR to that would cause a real issue. I am not against DMR. It is the only digital voice mode I use on Ham Radio and I absolutely love it. For the GMRS application, if DMR were to be introduced as the sole means of communication, that would have had to have happened back before they flooded the market with bubble pack radios. Back in the day where GMRS was GMRS and FRS didn't exist. I think what the FCC should do is find a set of frequencies near GMRS and give us another 8 just for DMR. With everyone abandoning the VHF and UHF lower portions of the bands to get on 800 MHz and also with the FirstNet network, there are going to be a lot of empty frequencies across the nation. The VHF low band is a good example. For $35 a license, I think they can spare some. DMR is a good idea when it comes to utilizing bandwidth, plus, you can add networks to it. But, like many will say, that is what you have Ham Radio for. While that is true, I think more people would utilize radio if they could have that element of Ham Radio, but without having to take a test.

Speaking from a technical standpoint, Given the wattage and how VHF signals travel vs how UHF signals travel, it wouldn't be feasible. You can take UHF on 2 watts and make the signal travel a good distance. Take VHF and try to do the same and you usually wont get the same thing. Usually when they link repeaters together they use a UHF frequency to link two or more VHF repeaters together. I have only encountered one time when a base was linked to a UHF repeater through a VHF crossband and that was for a business. The distance that 2 watts of VHF power would cover to connect two UHF repeaters together would bring both UHF repeaters coverage areas together to where it would make more sense to just to use one UHF repeater to cover both areas. IF you broke the rules and used high power on VHF with directional antennas, YES, you could link two repeaters. Honestly, I wish the FCC would take the MURS band and allow GMRS operators to use it to link things together. BUT, that's what Ham radio is for. The sad part is that I find more enthusiastic guys on GMRS who would love to do this but don't want to go through with getting their Ham license because of the politics. In Ham Radio where you have all of the ability in the world to do high power, crossbanding, linking, repeating etc........... no one really experiments with anything like that. I love getting into that stuff, no one else does. That's why I have reverted to leaving my radios shut off and I watch TV in the other room. Much more entertaining.

Or the owner of the repeater could co-phase a couple of yagi's and get the repeater to keep most of its coverage in the USA instead of running onmi-directional antenna(s).

In my over 30 years of radio, what I have found is that the NORMAL version of the tone is what is always used, so its best to go with that first. There are many articles online that explain the difference between normal and inverted if you google them.

MURS never went anywhere for a couple of reasons. First and foremost - Walmart and all the other big box stores dont sell them. The only people who knew about the MURS band were people who were already into the radio hobby. The only radios you find readily available in the stores are FRS/GMRS radios. 99% of people who buy them have absolutely no clue how they work, nor do they care, that is, until they give one to their kids and while the kids are beating off the call button for hours, someone comes across their radio and says hello. For those who actually noticed that the FCC made the frequencies legal, they all instantly looked at the rules and got scared like they just cheated on 20 years of taxes and the IRS was coming for them. Combine those two things and to this day, I cannot understand why the FCC opened the 5 frequencies for unlicensed use. They could have included them in frequencies for VHF trunked systems and made money off of them. As for that voice coming back, I wonder if they are using a VGC VR-N7500. Its a good radio but some of the functions they give you, I would never use, voice repeat being one of them. Get a repeater or make a crossband out of two of the radios. It works much easier.

Wow, I was going to say, in my area, those antennas are Waaaaay too small to be ham radio antennas, but I forgot we have privileges in the higher bands ha ha ha. Nice setup on the back of that car. Looks like what my vehicle would look like if there was more activity. Back where I grew up, there was and one of my vehicles had 7 or 8 antennas on it. Good times back then.

When it comes to the rules, yes, we all need to follow them. But even like Ham Radio, if you spend 90% of your time consuming yourself with "The Rules" instead of enjoying what you got into, you will be miserable. I have known many people to get out of the radio hobby or distance themselves from it (in general, Ham or GMRS or anything else) because of the thinking that the FCC was going to show up at their doorstep to take all their radios, arrest them and lock them up in federal prison for 20 years and slap them with $10,000 fine. Then you have those in the radio community that preach that and they do everything in their power to shame people into this thinking, that they inadvertently shove people out of the hobby. These type sit on their high throne surrounded by radios thinking they own the airwaves. I, like probably thousands of other GMRS operators run a mobile radio hooked up to a power supply transmitting on an omni-directional antenna and they talk base to mobile/portable and if they happen to have a repeater to use nearby, they talk through that to other GMRS operators or their own family. Same goes for the mobile. Same goes for the portables. As long as you are within the proper parameters, I highly doubt the FCC is going to swoop in to take you away because you didn't follow one letter of the law based on a fraction of a technicality that was misinterpreted accidently. I have known of people who deliberately interfered with public safety communications and other forms of licensed radio communications and everyone knew who they were and that they were doing it. Nothing was ever done. Nothing ever happened. Sadly! Again, I am not saying its ok to break the rules. Rules are how we maintain order and stay together as a society. Get out there in the community with those who follow the rules to the best of their ability, learn the in's and out's and set up your station and enjoy. We are all in this together and following common sense and common courtesy is above all things, and by following that, you will be following the rules.

Way back when FRS first came about someone in my home state used to do this but it was on FRS 1 (462.5625). It was a strong transmitter because it was heard all over a county and a bit beyond that. From what I was told, someone had set it up for the junior volunteer fire fighters because they weren't allowed pagers. Its not hard. Out of band dual band ham radio and set the frequencies and let her rip. 45 watts on UHF on a good antenna at a high location and you are no different than some of the stuff operating with public safety. For those who don't know better, it confuses them.

I decided to go on the cheap end of things with my antenna only. I tried ordering a Comet antenna for GMRS and of course, the company must have jumped on the "Shortage" bandwagon. I checked high and low and could not find a Comet antenna anywhere. So I settled for a Harvest BC200-U which claims to be tuned for the GMRS band, absolutely no tuning needed. Well, after having the issues and reading more reviews, that is a lie. My antenna wasn't even close to being ok on the GMRS band, at least for the repeater input. The 462MHz portion was around a 1.6:1 SWR. 467MHz was around a 2.5:1 SWR or higher. So I took it apart and found a very poor design. The spots where the pieces connected together were pinched together with these little brass pieces. About 2/3 of the way up was a split in the radiator where 2 ceramic capacitors were soldered, bridging the gap to the upper part. They use pieces of foam to keep the radiator from smacking around inside and one of the pieces was loosely wrapped around the capacitors and glued in place causing it to rip the capacitors apart with even a slight touch wiggling the foam. The capacitor on the lower coil was not even glued in place. So, I did a bunch of experimenting to get the antenna to resonate on the GMRS band. I had another antenna that was specifically set on 466MHz and I decided to copy that design which was very similar to the harvest antenna design. The difference was that the other antenna didn't use capacitors and it didn't have a loading coil at the bottom. I removed all of the capacitors off of the harvest antennas and just put pieces of copper wire to connect straight through. I soldered all the joints on the radiator to make them more electrically secure. At the bottom of the antenna where the main radiator connects in it has a set screw evidently for tuning. I trimmed the whole radiator down until it came into an acceptable range (sorry, I cannot tell you how much I cut off because I was pretty flustered at this point after having to do so much soldering and unsoldering) and I put the antenna back together. I made a coax choke out of RG8U coax (wound 4 times in a 2.5" diameter) and placed that below the antenna and connected my coax into it. I now have an antenna with less than a 1.4:1 SWR across the band from 462.55-467.725MHz. The performance of this antenna didn't really change. The only thing that was noticed is that coverage is slightly better in spots where it was dead or static. So, UNLESS you happen to own an antenna analyzer or know someone who does, and you are smart with antennas, I would not purchase this antenna. It DOES work pretty decent once modified, but for the plug and play person who just wants to set up GMRS and talk, I would NOT recommend it. It is cheaply made compared to other commercial antennas. BUT if you are on a budget and have the knowledge and equipment, you can make it work. I have included a picture of my antenna analyzer for proof on the reading AFTER I made modifications. I get on average 2.5-5 miles on simplex (not using a repeater) at 45 watts. I have to include in here that I live in Maine in a low spot directly at the base of a hill that immediately goes up 100 more feet. I am at around 310 feet above sea level with hills spreading out from me going up as high as 1,000 feet but also including valleys in with that, so what happens is that my signal will travel down these valleys pretty far but once a tall hill is hit, my signal is not reaching over the other side at all.

According to MyGMRS, there are no repeaters near you that use a DPL unless the one closed repeater does. When it comes to those tones, you have CTCSS (PL) or you have DCS (DPL) tones. CTCSS (PL) are analog tones that are most commonly used. DCS (DPL) are digital tones. CTCSS (PL) tones run generally from 67.0hz to 254hz. On some radios, they do have a code system(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_Tone-Coded_Squelch_System) associated with them that do NOT have anything to do with DCS (DPL) tones. DCS (DPL) tones run from 023 to 754 and have an 'I' or 'N' after the number sometimes (i.e. - 023I or 023N). When programming the tone, most commonly, you would just use the numbers followed by 'N' (i.e. - 023N) https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/DCS Many people get these tone numbers confused. Once you have played around with radio for awhile, you will get used to it and understand it.

This might sound anti ham radio but I would pick the band that works the best to communicate locally. For me, due to terrain, would be VHF.

People use MURS around me for dog tracking collars, that's it. Highly annoying!

While working for a newspaper company years ago, one of the drivers would set off the building alarms at his last stop when he would call in to let dispatch know he was done. Currently, my wife and I can make the CO2 alarm downstairs go nuts if we operate our portable radios in the same room on GMRS.

Since I am not a "Ham Radio Operator" in the classic sense, I keep 2 meter, GMRS/FRS, and scanner capabilities. Good enough for the emergency communications aspect. Nice and simple and relatively cheap compared to going down the HF rabbit hole where you have to sell a few organs in exchange for radio equipment.?

That sounds like Tropospheric ducting. UHF doesn't usually get affected like VHF does but it can still happen. IF, that is the case, you cant do anything to make it come in better all the time. Tropospheric ducting is similar to skip on CB. It involves conditions in the sky to cause your signals to travel farther. Google Tropospheric ducting. Its a good read. I love working it. Back in 2001 I remember working Ham Radio Repeaters all over New England clear up into Canada from South Eastern Connecticut on 2 meters. One night in 2002 I sat and talked over a repeater in Virginia from New London CT.

Nets are good for checking your radios, that's about it. I like to use them to check my equipment from time to time when it comes to operating through a repeater to make sure its still working seeing as how I talk very little on radio these days. I like to keep things in check just to make sure its still working should I need it in an emergency.

If you are operating through a repeater you do not need a roger beep. Most repeaters have a courtesy tone if activated to let you know when you can transmit. If you are running simplex they are good to have especially if you are going to have a significant distance between radios to where your all on the fringe of radio range. The only time I have encountered possibly needing a roger beep on a repeater is when the repeater doesn't have a courtesy tone and your radio settings are set just so that your radio's receiver only opens up when the other guy is talking and stays closed otherwise. I usually keep my radios set like that so that I don't hear all the squelch tail crunching and other beeps that come out of a repeater.

LOL!!! Tomorrow, the government is going to make murder illegal. All joking aside, I thought if you committed a crime, anything used in the commission of that crime could and probably would be confiscated, investigated and used against you as proof in court? I have known people in the past where this happened. Unless of course the FCC is just now getting around to enforcing a law themselves. Honestly, I cannot understand why anyone would use radio to commit any crime, or use it to interfere with a licensed radio service. There are too many "civilian FCC cops" out there monitoring the airwaves and it's my understanding, the FCC has added a way to turn people in for interfering with radios. It doesn't seem worth it to do anything illegal with a radio. Its like committing a crime and then bragging about it on social media.

I get the same issue. I think I have had it with Ham licenses also, especially the HV code ham licenses. Doesnt seem to be a way around it. If there is, I would love to know. The closest I have ever been able to get it is down to the state level.