UncleYoda

My fist thought was that it would fade away without ever gaining traction. But there are plenty of joiners out there that never see the down side. I guess, let's see if this grand poobah guy shows up for open debate.

If you think I'm whining, take your own advice and ignore me. I consider what they're setting up to be a threat to others who have their own local uses. So, no, I'm not going to just ignore the threat (assuming they get more than a handful of followers). I don't lay down and let them roll over me. This do nothing about anything attitude has ruined America.

I don't know what you mean and you don't know what I mean. I'm referring to this new group some unknown just popped in and started that wants to take over the GMRS service nationwide. It shows in the Activity feed but you can't respond without joining. It's a group on this site but also in the real world. EDIT: I realize you meant the low band VHF proposal - I've heard people on the repeaters talking about that, mostly in favor. I'm neutral on that because I won't be buying a radio to use it.

Is this GMRUS thing going to ruin the service even more than the already existing misuse? Can't even discuss it with this new guy without joining, which sounds like the Devil's plan. I'm already stumped on how I can program my radios to block out the rule breaking repeaters and still have the frequencies open to receive others including simplex. FCC messed up when they came up with this plan because there's apparently no way to do it. And now this group wants to promote more junk on the air on a nationwide basis.

I wonder if that would work with the mic and the programming cable.

Nope, reverse is different. Talkaround uses the same frequency (e.g, repeater output) for RX and TX.

I'll have to let the repeater owners explain how it works on repeaters. My ham mobile can block incoming signals based on the tone, but that's different from an ID code. I don't think any radio I have can decode IDs even though they can transmit them. [A newer radio I have has an encryption function but it isn't legal to use so I can't even test that.] All my radios are analog.

[The cutesy title is a play on the brand name.] Just had an unnerving occurrence where no sound was coming out of either earphones or the radio speaker (receive LED and signal meter did indicate it was receiving). I tried all the relevant settings I could think of to no avail. After giving it up for broken, I tried turning SUB back on and switched to B -- boom!, sound blaring out. Switched back to A and sound there too. And it worked with earphones too. Doesn't make sense but I'm glad it started working again (no signals to test with right now). The other odd thing I've noticed is the red TX LEDs will come on briefly at random times when I'm not touching the radio. No pattern to it that I can discern so far. And the mic is hanging up where the PTT button is not touching anything.

While you're waiting for 702's reply, I'll say that if specific IDs are required, then would it not be obvious that revoked IDs would be blocked? But for the official procedure to ban someone, the owner is supposed to send a letter to them (probably after telling them).

STE is a separate function on Baofengs (and also RP-STE). This squawk I'm referring to is under Roger Beep. Anyway, around here, for ham, the advice is always to not use any of the stuff like that (STE, RP-STE, ANI-ID, access tone eg 1750). For GMRS, all I've seen is "don't use any DTMF codes on my repeater" (and of course, turn off the roger beep). My ham mobile can transmit my call sign (in CW?) but I don't use it in normal use.

That's the sound I referred to above as a static burst. I assume on my radio it's just a sound though, not an ID.

Baofengs can do that, but it's at least called something different, don't know if they're compatible.

I thought that M might be for Motorola. So these guys are setting up repeaters for only Motorola users? That's the ultimate snobbery. I don't own one, never have, never will (don't like the company or the Motorola-only attitudes of users.)

What is MDC? I don't think any of my radios have that. They do have other types of codes.

Are there any unlicensed services that allow use of repeaters? I don't know of any. And what would happen to the repeaters? Unlicensed users are less likely to donate. And repeater owners would have a lot more junk to deal with. On the rules issue, yes I'm dealing with that now. I don't have a solution (except forget GMRS and go fight with hams over how we should be using that service meaningfully).

I'm not sure if you're being serious there. No government issued callsign needed anymore and it would be just like CB, The low power and short antennas keep FRS radio users in check. (We don't know how many people are using GMRS radios as FRS radios.) At least if it goes unlicensed I can convert all mine to ham if I want (GMRS antennas may not be too good for TX on 440 but will RX).

I would but I'm probably putting this radio away in a faraday cage box so I can grab it and throw in the car. I selected option 3, a static burst that makes it sound like an old pro radio. The first two are double beeps, indistinguishable from one another to my ears. I'm not sure the static will get the same hate reaction. I would enable on my GMRS handhelds if they had it. If anything, even worse on ham. AFAIK, they just hate the sound. But repeaters that have a courtesy tone (not much different) are fine.

But I have a new radio that let's me select different sounds for the beep! You know I've got to try it out.

Welcome, but what question are you asking? (even your tl;dr didn't make it clear)

Only a minority as far as I can tell. Rule breaking is widespread and the attitudes are entrenched.

I wasn't referring to Line A. You said "95.1763 is gone altogether." It's there. If you meant Line A wasn't mentioned in 1763, then your wording was bad.

Better check again; it's there for me, and it's one of the most important sections.

On a normal repeater channel, Talk Around would be transmitting on 462, so that is allowed. Maybe I misunderstood the idea though.

Nope! This is what my copy says: (c) 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance with § 95.319(c). The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz. Notice that fixed is not included in the restriction to repeater use. (Fixed stations aren't allowed to use repeaters so that makes sense.)

What? It's a simplex channel because transmit and receive are the same frequency (no offset). Normal repeaters require the offset but there is a thing called simplex repeater too. And there's nothing in the regs that prevents fixed stations from transmitting on 467 simplex if your radio lets you.